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Name one instance of the TSA...
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poncho
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I'm thinking we should expect some shortly. The TSA will need them (whether real or contrived) to justfy it's existence.
poncho
Well-Known Member
Actually, we should feel sorry for the TSA...
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1110/45525.html
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1110/45525.html
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So If TSA announced they would never check someone with leg braces, that would be a perfect cover for a terrorist.
To answer the original question, due to the screening, I'm sure that has prevented some terrorist from attempting to board an aircraft.
I do agree the current pat down is too extreme.
I would like to see profiling take effect. Evidently, it is very effective for Israel.
poncho
Well-Known Member
On the flip side.
There are possibly thousands of terrorist tactics and millions of targets for them to choose from.
There's really no need for a would be terrorist to ever board a plane to carry out an attack.
Announce that we'll be checking everyone getting on a plane for everything and the would be terrorist might take the bus. Announce that we're going to check everyone getting on a bus for everything and the would be terrorist might take a cab. Announce that we're going to check everyone taking a cab for everything and the terrorist might drive a motorscooter.
Short of a total police state dictatorship there's no way to be fully protected from terrorism. And even then a few terrorists might slip through the cracks and "git us".
We need real world solutions for real world problems. Treating citizens as terrorist suspects plays into the hands of the terrorist and doesn't make us any safer. Imho.
freeatlast
New Member
You can bet that they would have broadcasted it to justify what they are doing in stripping the people of their rights.
I can't either, but that's a good thing. Their very presence is a pretty stiff deterrent.
But the presence of trained and experienced profilers along with less intrusive security precautions would be just as strong a deterrent. But we can't use them, can we.:BangHead: Heaven forbid!!!
It's hard to prove a negative.
Sort of like saying, name the last person who was saved because of yellow lines on the highway. Sometimes the appearance of boundaries is of itself a hindrance to tragedy.
The argumentation in OP is fallacious as it makes a statement without considering facts not immediately in evidence.
I'd be willing to bet the high security measures are in fact a tremendous deterrent. I'd even argue that before these ridiculous scanners and pat-downs we were doing just fine. Methinks the scanners producer might have more to do with this than we realize. There's big bucks in security these days...even the illusion of security. It's like one giant magic show going on at our airports.
Sort of like saying, name the last person who was saved because of yellow lines on the highway. Sometimes the appearance of boundaries is of itself a hindrance to tragedy.
The argumentation in OP is fallacious as it makes a statement without considering facts not immediately in evidence.
I'd be willing to bet the high security measures are in fact a tremendous deterrent. I'd even argue that before these ridiculous scanners and pat-downs we were doing just fine. Methinks the scanners producer might have more to do with this than we realize. There's big bucks in security these days...even the illusion of security. It's like one giant magic show going on at our airports.
We had our own fun with them a while back when I and my three daughters were chosen for a special security screening.
My kids had to stand spread-eagled and get that full pat down. They hated it and never forgot feeling violated by it.
While they were doing this, they were also pulling out our packed items one by one and shaking them out for the world to see.
Who was doing this? A man with one arm. Why does that matter?
Because we almost missed our flight waiting for him to finish. In the meantime I was in the special security section, which is simply a glass box everyone can see into. I didn't have TIME to go to a private room and the wand kept beeping at my crotch so I ended up pulling my pants down to show this butch woman (seriously, it was horrible, I'd rather have had someone of the opposite sex than someone so obviously lesbian) what was setting it off. All that with me and the poor kids and the one-armed security guard STILL wasn't done holding up our underclothes and shaking everything out, I started begging them to call the plane. They actually did and they tried to wait.
We ended up running to it and yelling as we got there for them to wait as they were getting ready to shut if off because they couldn't wait anymore. But we made it.
We've also had them take a little jar of honey covered walnuts and they said it was an ounce over the liquid limit, which is wasn't because walnuts aren't liquid...but because the jar said honey they called the whole thing a liquid. After the fact they told me I could have taken it if I'd put it in with my checked luggage.
Then at the end of one flight they still wouldn't shut up. I am very claustrophobic and my doctor gives me xanax for flights. He always does and writes a letter letting them know to consider me disabled and will need help getting on and off the plane. They not only made the kids say they were capable of helping me before I got on, before I got off they told me that the next time I fly I should take a lower dose.
Which would be a security risk because I'd flip out, I almost did on the dose they gave me, had to fight it quite a few times.
Flying has never been a pleasant experience since 9-11, and I do NOT feel any safer. The number of people who whizzed through security because of the LACK OF PROFILING made me feel LESS safe.
I won't give money to an airline again if I can help it. I refuse to pay good money to be treated without a shred of decency. If they at least were nice about it instead of jerks it would make some difference, but they're not.
So if patting down undies is because of the underwear bomber, what happens when they start putting bombs in their body cavities?
And all the publicity and explanation of medical conditions that require this and that? All it is doing is giving people ideas on what they can get away with if they're intent on doing so.
I personally would rather have the body scan than someone actually touching my kids or me. I don't like it, but it is SO much more logical and I'd consider it less evasive.
My kids had to stand spread-eagled and get that full pat down. They hated it and never forgot feeling violated by it.
While they were doing this, they were also pulling out our packed items one by one and shaking them out for the world to see.
Who was doing this? A man with one arm. Why does that matter?
Because we almost missed our flight waiting for him to finish. In the meantime I was in the special security section, which is simply a glass box everyone can see into. I didn't have TIME to go to a private room and the wand kept beeping at my crotch so I ended up pulling my pants down to show this butch woman (seriously, it was horrible, I'd rather have had someone of the opposite sex than someone so obviously lesbian) what was setting it off. All that with me and the poor kids and the one-armed security guard STILL wasn't done holding up our underclothes and shaking everything out, I started begging them to call the plane. They actually did and they tried to wait.
We ended up running to it and yelling as we got there for them to wait as they were getting ready to shut if off because they couldn't wait anymore. But we made it.
We've also had them take a little jar of honey covered walnuts and they said it was an ounce over the liquid limit, which is wasn't because walnuts aren't liquid...but because the jar said honey they called the whole thing a liquid. After the fact they told me I could have taken it if I'd put it in with my checked luggage.
Then at the end of one flight they still wouldn't shut up. I am very claustrophobic and my doctor gives me xanax for flights. He always does and writes a letter letting them know to consider me disabled and will need help getting on and off the plane. They not only made the kids say they were capable of helping me before I got on, before I got off they told me that the next time I fly I should take a lower dose.
Which would be a security risk because I'd flip out, I almost did on the dose they gave me, had to fight it quite a few times.
Flying has never been a pleasant experience since 9-11, and I do NOT feel any safer. The number of people who whizzed through security because of the LACK OF PROFILING made me feel LESS safe.
I won't give money to an airline again if I can help it. I refuse to pay good money to be treated without a shred of decency. If they at least were nice about it instead of jerks it would make some difference, but they're not.
So if patting down undies is because of the underwear bomber, what happens when they start putting bombs in their body cavities?
And all the publicity and explanation of medical conditions that require this and that? All it is doing is giving people ideas on what they can get away with if they're intent on doing so.
I personally would rather have the body scan than someone actually touching my kids or me. I don't like it, but it is SO much more logical and I'd consider it less evasive.
freeatlast
New Member
You put your own children through the groping of a stranger admitting that they felt violated and you complain if a teacher bites a child to teach the child not to bite? WOW! Talk about child abuse and needing to be arrested!
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freeatlast
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Yes mam, thank you for asking. I have already baked the pies and in the morning, the Lord willing, I will start the turkey and other fixings.
If you have a couple extra plates, Mrs Salty and I will be over for Turkey dinner as soon as I'm off taxi:smilewinkgrin:
Let me get this straight. You take meds before you fly. Because of these meds you are incapable of getting on and off the plane by yourself. You deem that your kids are not capable to help you get on and off the plane either. So, while you are so doped up that you are unable to get on or off a plane, who exactly is watching your kids?
For the record, they didnt apply - it was current employees - who were retrained.
Poncho - what office are you going to run in 2012;
After winning, then you can help change it.
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I bought paper plates and there are plenty Salty! Choice of turkey and/or ham, pumpkin pie and/or apple, stuffing, and plenty of fresh veggies!
Why wouldn't I fly? And who says I was incapable of getting on and off a plane totally due to meds? I had mobility issues on two flights because I checked my walker as it was bulky and it made more sense to walk with assistance, especially while medicated.
And the three kids I took with me are all teens. They do not require a babysitter.
Are you guys saying people with claustrophobia, mobility issues, or who are on medications with sedating effects should not fly? Isn't that a little crazy? What about those of us that don't drive? Or go to places only planes can reach without major hassle?
Why wouldn't I fly? And who says I was incapable of getting on and off a plane totally due to meds? I had mobility issues on two flights because I checked my walker as it was bulky and it made more sense to walk with assistance, especially while medicated.
And the three kids I took with me are all teens. They do not require a babysitter.
Are you guys saying people with claustrophobia, mobility issues, or who are on medications with sedating effects should not fly? Isn't that a little crazy? What about those of us that don't drive? Or go to places only planes can reach without major hassle?