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[Scott J]

Oh, btw, the blanket statement about "never admitted" is patently false.

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by ccrobinson:
Just because you can catch the leader doesn't mean you can pass the leader.

If you do what Stewart did to Johnson it does. I expect Stewart to start being more on the receiving end... and justly so.

 

[PastorSBC1303]

Originally posted by Scott J:
Oh, btw, the blanket statement about "never admitted" is patently false.

When I see Hendrick supporters saying their drivers got out driven, then I will agree with you. Until then, my statement stands.

 

[PastorSBC1303]

Originally posted by Scott J:
as long as you don't whine when someone else does it as Stewart has been very apt to do.

Have I whined about Stewart or any of the drivers I pull for getting pushed around? No. It is a part of racing today.

And just as ccr pointed out Stewart dealt with the same thing last year with Newman.

 

[PastorSBC1303]

Originally posted by Scott J:
If you do what Stewart did to Johnson it does.

I have no doubt that Johnson or Gordon would have done the exact same thing to get the lead.

 

[ccrobinson]

I said that he possibly pulled out some trickeration. Nothing wrong with that... as long as you don't whine when someone else does it as Stewart has been very apt to do.

He's the biggest bully on the circuit yet he whines when someone else roughs him up.

First, I didn't see any brake check on any restart. The only brake check I saw was when Tony slammed on his brakes in Turn 4 and stopped the 48 from getting into position to do a bump n run. Pretty good move, btw.

I thought you were talking about Gordon until you said he's the biggest bully on the circuit. Gordon is notorious for complaining about somebody doing something like laying back on restarts at Daytona, then turning around and doing the exact same thing himself. As Earnhardt's tactics came back to bite him on occasion, so it will be with Stewart.

BTW, I'm not referring to the 2001 Daytona 500. There were other races in his career where Earnhardt's tactics in prior races came into play and cost him. I have no doubts that it will be the same with Stewart as far as his tactics today costing him a race tomorrow.


PastorSBC:

...it is never admitted that someone else outdrove their drivers.

Scott:

the blanket statement about "never admitted" is patently false.

Perhaps, but in my days of visiting Nascar message boards, I have yet to see it.

I have no doubt that Johnson or Gordon would have done the exact same thing to get the lead.

Absolutely right. Tony did everything he could do to keep Jeff off his rear bumper. He knew what was going to happen. The brake check in T4 I referenced above was all about making sure Johnson didn't pull a bump n run on him.

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by PastorSBC1303:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Scott J:
as long as you don't whine when someone else does it as Stewart has been very apt to do.

Have I whined about Stewart or any of the drivers I pull for getting pushed around? No. It is a part of racing today.

And just as ccr pointed out Stewart dealt with the same thing last year with Newman. </font>[/QUOTE]I was referring to Stewart. Not you guys.

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by PastorSBC1303:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Scott J:
If you do what Stewart did to Johnson it does.

I have no doubt that Johnson or Gordon would have done the exact same thing to get the lead. </font>[/QUOTE]This was in response to the statement that just because you could get to the leader didn't mean you could pass him.

Stewart got to Johnson but didn't quite have the car to pass him clean. So he move him.

The 24 was better than the 20 before the red flag. After the red flag, Stewart jumped out to about a 4 car length lead on the restart with not enough time for Gordon to cut it down again. Certainly something happened to Gordon on that restart that wasn't happening before the stop.

My point is that Stewart should get as good as he gives... thus far, no one has been giving it to him. I'll be watching for him to complain at some point in the near future about the Hendrick cars jumping restarts, brake checking, or something of the kind.

 

[Scott J]

Oh, and come to think of it.

I have heard Gordon on more than one occasion say that his team had done its job but he messed up by wrecking or damaging his car. I agreed with him on several of those occasions.

I don't recall ever having heard Stewart or Junior make such a comment. Junior in particular is in the habit of finding others to blame. Last year I specifically remember him blaming his being in a wreck on the fact that his car wasn't good enough to put him at the front... couldn't have been anything to do with his driving, huh?

 

[PastorSBC1303]

Originally posted by Scott J:
Certainly something happened to Gordon on that restart that wasn't happening before the stop.

Of course something happened, because it couldn't have been Stewart just outdrove him. I am sure that couldn't be it.

 

[PastorSBC1303]

Originally posted by Scott J:
I don't recall ever having heard Stewart or Junior make such a comment. Junior in particular is in the habit of finding others to blame.

You have not been listening very well then. I have heard both of them make similar comments.

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by PastorSBC1303:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Scott J:
Certainly something happened to Gordon on that restart that wasn't happening before the stop.

Of course something happened, because it couldn't have been Stewart just outdrove him. I am sure that couldn't be it. </font>[/QUOTE]Sure if Gordon hadn't been consistently cutting his lead down... and if Gordon were some kind of wet behind the ears rookie that couldn't hit a restart. Not saying that any of those guys won't spin the tires or miss it once in awhile... but the percentages weigh against it.

 

[ccrobinson]

Certainly something happened to Gordon on that restart that wasn't happening before the stop.

Nothing happened. He overdrove the car trying to catch Stewart and lost traction enough in turn 2 to slip up the track and let Stewart get away.

Last year I specifically remember him blaming his being in a wreck on the fact that his car wasn't good enough to put him at the front... couldn't have been anything to do with his driving, huh?

Yeah, he tried to push his car beyond it's capabilities and stuffed it in the wall. I know this is your opportunity to slam Jr. again, but every driver out there has stuffed their car in the wall from overdriving it.

 

[PastorSBC1303]

Originally posted by Scott J:
Sure if Gordon hadn't been consistently cutting his lead down... and if Gordon were some kind of wet behind the ears rookie that couldn't hit a restart. Not saying that any of those guys won't spin the tires or miss it once in awhile... but the percentages weigh against it.

Note once again, it is about a Hendrick driver being wronged rather than someone just flat outdriving him.

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by ccrobinson:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Certainly something happened to Gordon on that restart that wasn't happening before the stop.

Nothing happened. He overdrove the car trying to catch Stewart and lost traction enough in turn 2 to slip up the track and let Stewart get away.</font>[/QUOTE]The separation occurred right off the restart.

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by PastorSBC1303:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Scott J:
Sure if Gordon hadn't been consistently cutting his lead down... and if Gordon were some kind of wet behind the ears rookie that couldn't hit a restart. Not saying that any of those guys won't spin the tires or miss it once in awhile... but the percentages weigh against it.

Note once again, it is about a Hendrick driver being wronged rather than someone just flat outdriving him. </font>[/QUOTE]Didn't say that. I just pointed to the probability that Stewart bent the rules and is due to be on the receiving end.

 

[PastorSBC1303]

You just can't get yourself to say that Stewart outdrove your guys. Oh well...

I dont see any chance of Gordon not whining in the post race interview if Stewart had done something to him. Stewart outdrove him and Gordon knew it and that is why he said simply that he had nothing for the 20 at the end.

 

[ccrobinson]

The separation occurred right off the restart.

I dispute that. Jeff was right on his bumper going into turn 1 and slipped coming off of 2.

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by PastorSBC1303:

You just can't get yourself to say that Stewart outdrove your guys. Oh well...

I just did... it would seem that the opposite is actually true.

I dont see any chance of Gordon not whining in the post race interview if Stewart had done something to him.

I explained a very good justification for thinking just that. Gordon is being watched. If he had complained and then did something marginal to cause Stewart problems in the next several races then he would be subject to discipline. Proof of him holding a grudge would leave NASCAR with little choice.

If he says nothing controversial then goes out and spins Stewart into the wall on the last lap next week... then "it's just racin'".

Stewart outdrove him and Gordon knew it and that is why he said simply that he had nothing for the 20 at the end.

OK... If you say so.

 

[Scott J]

BTW, I make no pretense about being objective. I don't like Stewart and think he is due a come uppance.

I can't wait to see smoke boiling from his ears again as he whines about Gordon, Busch, Johnson, etc putting him in the wall... when in reality it was nothin' but "racin'".