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No wonder liberals are confused...

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by carpro, Sep 6, 2017.

  1. FollowTheWay

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    A good reason is that the U.S. has the worst healthcare system of any industrialized country in the world and barely ahead of Cuba. I suppose you don't care.
     
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    and what do you base that opinion on?
     
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    Show me your facts for a change.
     
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    Nonsense! People come to this country every day to take advantage of our world-class healthcare system. I have a friend who lives in Canada who needs cancer surgery and treatment. He carries US insurance to help defray the cost because he will come here for his care.

    Our problem is not that we don't have an excellent system, we do. Our problem is that it is much too expensive. That is largely due to two factors: Insurance companies making huge profits off of healthcare, and huge pharmaceutical companies charging 20 or 30 times more than what medication costs to develop and produce. My Xarelto costs around $700 per month without insurance. Not many people can afford that. In some other countries, including Canada, that cost could be as low as $75.

    You really don't want to make baseless accusations against me. It will not end well.
     
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    You made a statement - I am simply asking you to back it up.
     
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    I doubt he can. :)
     
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    Is this YOU, Crabby, under a different monicker??????? :rolleyes::Roflmao:Whistling
     
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    We do have great high end healthcare available for those who can afford it at institutions like the Mayo Clinic, the Cleveland Clinic, John's Hopkins, Sloan Kettering, etc. I certainly agree with that. I'm talking about the quality of healthcare provided to the average American. I agree that two major problems are the unsupportable profits made by the insurance and pharmaceutical companies. That together with the way we treat the poor in America that is inefficient, behind technologically and which provides sub-par healthcare overall.
     
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    guess you are right
     
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    Which country has the world's best healthcare system?

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    the US scores poorly on many fronts, ranked 11th out of 11 in the Commonwealth Fund 2014 list. And yet it far outstrips all its peers in terms of the amount it spends on healthcare – a whopping 17% of GDP

    There are many other sources that say the same thing. Your turn..
     
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    Several of the countries listed have "free" goverment paid medical care.

    of course "Free" means taxes are paying -.........
     
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    You forgot to quote the rest. For those not covered by Medicare, Medicaid or Chip, "Standards are generally high, sometimes among the best in the world."
     
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    Tom - there you go again - trying to confuse people with the facts
     
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    Sounds like a good tax package.
     
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    Sure if you want the middle class and poor to suffer to benefit the very wealthy. I suppose you do. I don't.
     
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    It's good for the middle class. Everyone should pay some federal tax.
     
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    Tell that to the billionaires or specifically Trump.
     
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    This evaluation looks at the results of their healthcare systems. It also looks at the costs from all sources including taxes. The top 10 are doing much better than America on both counts. Actually, other evaluations show the U.S. in a much worse place on the list. This is the most favorable one I've seen.
     
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    Thus I support the Automatic Electronic Tax. - Everyone pays- no loopholes
     
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    What part of him paying $150 million per year didn't you understand?
     
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