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Featured NOBTS professor detects Calvinistic tilt in study notes of LifeWay’s new Bible (CSB)

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Revmitchell, Jul 20, 2017.

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  1. Reynolds

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    He did, but He didn't. That is one of many reasons Calvinism will not again be accepted by the masses. It contains too many points that appear to the average man to be contradictions.
     
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    It was intended to be applied toward those who believe. We become elect once we believe. Not because we determined to become elect once we believed but because God determined that is how He wanted it.
     
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    Then you read into it some that was not there. :)
     
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    Only by those who are either honestly ignorant of the subject or by deceivers who twist it all out of recognition. :)

    The ignorant can be taught to understand. The deceivers won't be taught.
     
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    Considering the turn this thread has taken, I'm moving it to the CvA forum.
     
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    Did you listen to or read the entire sermon?

    "So in summary, as we think about this, the death of Christ was a real true actual satisfaction of divine justice so that the sinner for whom Christ died is really, not potentially, provided an atonement into which that sinner will enter by the sovereign power of God at the moment when God regenerates that sinner and gives him faith. Not apart from the sinner's will, but in accord with the sinner's will, activated by the power of God. The death of Christ then was definite, particular, specific and actual on behalf of God's chosen people. It was limited in its extent by the sovereign purpose of God. It was not limited in effect. It was the work of God and Christ to actually accomplish redemption, not just make it possible. Christ procured salvation for all that God would call and save. Sinners do not limit the atonement as to its extent, God does. And God put no limit on it as to its effect. It fully saves all who will believe. Jesus actually took the penalty and paid in full for the sins of those who believe. This is why there is no condemnation. This is why we persevere in faith. This is why you can't lose that salvation because it was paid for in full."
     
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    Typically Lifeway seems to use pastors to write their study guides. This thread highlights the problem I addressed in another thread. Some SBC people will accommodate Calvinistic churches but only as "second class citizens."

    Why should SBC literature only reflect non-Calvinistic churches if Calvinistic churches coexist within the Convention?
     
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    Chapter 8 Romans, from its starting to its finishing, salvation is the work of the Lord towards His elect in Christ chosen by Him from Eternity past!
     
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    Election is corporate not individual. We are elect because we believe, we do not believe because we are elect.
     
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    The basic problem is that finite minds cannot fully comprehend the salvation plan of God, for the greatest theologian who ever lived had to stop in midst of his writings and pause to marvel and glorify His savior!
     
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    Jesus and Paul both would disagree with you on this!
     
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    Well since you say so that ends the discussion right there doesn't it?
     
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    If only. But, I am sure you will manufacturer some hocum...
     
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    LOL!

    Scholar concludes Paul was a Calvinist. Maybe even Jesus.
     
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    I am still hoping the Calvinists who say Jesus died for all will address the statements Macarthur made in this sermon. The summary touches on it but the sermon was plain about there being no potential atonement. It was also plain that Christ died only for the elect.
     
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    You can be sure not all cals believe in any fashion that Jesus died for all. In fact in my experience such claims made by cals are few and far between.
     
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    I agree. A couple on here are the only ones I have ever heard say it. They say it in such a way it does not make sense. I don't agree with Macarthur, but at least he is consistent and does not apply terms differently at different times.
     
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    Many Calvinists would state that Jesus death could have been used by God to save all sinners, but that God only intended it to save His elect.
     
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    Jesus could not have died for all sinners in exact same sense as purchasing all sinners back to God by His death and intending to save whosoever wills to come to him, for that would have all saved then!
     
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    If Jesus death paid and purchased back to God all sinners, all would be saved.
     
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