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Featured NOBTS professor detects Calvinistic tilt in study notes of LifeWay’s new Bible (CSB)

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Revmitchell, Jul 20, 2017.

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  1. Revmitchell

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    NEW ORLEANS (LBM) – A noted scholar has published a focused assessment on study notes in the newly published Christian Standard Bible (CSB), saying non-Calvinists “will be disappointed” due to the heavy Calvinistic leaning in some of its comments about passages that address salvation.

    Adam Harwood, associate professor of theology with the New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary, described the actual Bible translation as a “theologically conservative resource,” but took issue with the “theological interpretation” of some study notes provided at the bottom of pages, saying, “those who affirm that God loves every person, Christ died for every person, and God desires to save every person will be disappointed.”

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    Just might be worth being bought!
     
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    That's the dumbest statement I have ever read! Particular Redemption acknowledges that God loves every person, that Christ died for every person. And if God desires to save every person why aren't all persons saved? Is God too weak to get His own desires?
     
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    If I want a Calvinistic study bible, I would get (and already have) the ESV one.
     
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    First I would respond by saying that there are many reformed folks who says just the opposite of "God loves everybody".

    Second, there is no logical reason to believe that what God desires must also come to be. We all desire things in which we choose to not act on.

    Third, no one believes literally nor by effect that God is weak an cannot, in any circumstance, acquire that which He determines will or must occur. No one.
     
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    Y'all confuse me. In another thread, I thought I had gotten a definitive answer from the resident Calvinists that Christ did not die for all persons.
     
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    That is peculiar -- not Particular. Particular Redemption does not acknowledge that God loves everyone and certainly not that Christ died for every person.

    You are inverting reality -- the very meaning of words.
     
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    2 Corinthians 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
     
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    So, now you are comparing yourself to God?
     
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    Particular Redemption, also called Limited Atonement, is a doctrine of Christian theology associated with the Reformed tradition and is one of the five points of "Calvinism."
     
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    I know that. I will find the thread where someone was admonished by some on here for his saying Jesus died for everyone.
     
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    A direct link to Adam Harwood's post of the subject is found here:
    Theological Review of the CSB Study Bible Notes

    While it may be true that the authors of some of these notes affirm Calvinistic soteriology, it seems Harwood also projects on some of the notes a more Calvinistic anti-non Calvinist view than is necessary. For example, he says that “the study note on 1 John 2:2 provides an interpretation consistent with Calvinistic theology but fails to present an interpretation consistent with non-Calvinistic theology.” But if we just take what is written that he quotes, the note denies universalism -- that every person will be saved -- and affirms that the gospel is to be preached (and offered) to all nations. I would think many non-Calvinists agree with both of those points! No doubt this note would have been written differently by someone such as Adam Harwood or Will Hall.
    The note on Romans 8:29–30 would be harder to reconcile with non-Calvinistic soteriology.
     
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    You're better than that.
     
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    From the article:

    "I consider Trevin Wax, the general editor of the CBS Study Bible, to be a friend."

    Wow! Didn't know CBS was getting into the Bible business!
     
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    Was that a yes or a no?
     
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    Nobody who believes in Particular Redemption denies that Jesus died for all. We just know the difference between dying for them in the soteriological sense.

    1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
     
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    This is a common question regarding Reformed Theology and is known as limited atonement. Reformed theology, also known as Calvinism, teaches that Jesus only bore the sins of the elect and that He did not die for the sins of everyone who ever lived. This teaching is held by the Reformed and Presbyterian Churches as well as some Baptist ones. It is controversial in that there is debate regarding its validity from scripture. Nevertheless, we must understand that believing or not believing in limited atonement has no bearing on whether or not someone is a Christian or not. The issue is denominational; that is, it is a perspective held by some Christian churches but not others.

    Nevertheless, is limited atonement biblical? The reader will have to decide. To help in making that decision, the following arguments for and against it are offered.

    Did Jesus die for everyone? My Calvinist friends say no. | carm
     
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    "Exactly whom Jesus died for is a point of theological disagreement among evangelical Bible believers. Some Christians believe that Jesus died only for the elect; this is the doctrine of limited atonement, the L in Calvinism’s TULIP. Other Christians believe that Jesus died for everyone who has or ever will live; this is the doctrine of unlimited atonement, held by Arminians and most four-point Calvinists, or Amyraldians."

    Who did Jesus die for? Did Jesus die for everyone?
     
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    Abraham Booth (1734-1805) wrote Divine Justice Essential to the Divine Character in 1803.
    Here's sample :

    "If, in his perfect obedience and penal death, he acted and suffered as the substitute of all mankind, they are all redeemed: but if, as the representative of the elect only, redemption must be considered as exclusively theirs.....
    For the substitution of Christ, and the imputation of sin to him, are essential to the scriptural doctrine of redemption by our adorable Jesus. --We may, therefore, safely conclude, that our Lord's voluntary substitution, and redemption by his vicarious death, are both of them limited for those, for whom he was made SIN --for whom he was made a CURSE ---and for whose deliverance from final ruin, he actually paid the price of his OWN Blood. Consequently, that redemption is particular, and peculiar to the chosen of God."
     
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    Once again, Rev, you display your ignorance of that bible doctrine which you love to hate.

    You say: "Reformed theology, also known as Calvinism, teaches that Jesus only bore the sins of the elect and that He did not die for the sins of everyone who ever lived."

    Yet Particular Redemption clearly says the Atonement was "Sufficient for ALL, efficient only for the elect."

    The Atonement is not applied to unbelievers.

    Not to mention you also limit the Atonement. You don't believe it is applied to unbelievers, nor is it applied to demons, nor is it applied to the devil.

    You limit the Atonement just as do those who understand Limited Atonement.
     
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