Not surprised the least bit

No, it is correct.

Our nation has become dumber as political sides have become stronger.

20 years ago we knew immunity in regards to vaccinations meant functional immunity. We knew getting a flu shot, measles vacvine, pneumonia shot, etc. provided protection but you could still get the diseases.

Now we live among idiots who believe a shot is not a vaccine unless it prevents getting the virus by rivifing sterilizing immunity.

In other words, they have become vaccine deniers (they deny the flu shot, measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis, covid vaccines are actual vaccines as they do not provide sterilising immunity).

The definition was clarified to account for these idiots, but the meaning is the same (functional immunity is protection, but does not meet the goal of sterilizing immunity).

 

I am getting the shingles vaccine next visit. I expect it will provide some level of retention BUT I know I can still get the shingles, but chances are it will be a milder case.

And of course I know the shingles vaccine can cause swollen lymph nodes, chronic heart failure, anaphylaxis, fluid in the lungs, Guillain-Barre Syndrome, optic neuropathy, acute retinal necrosis, and even shingles.

And yes realize, I realize the shingles vaccine is less effective against shingles than the covid vaccine is against the covid virus for which it was designed.

Why did you get the shingles vaccine knowing you could still get shingles, could get those side-effects....could even die from a reaction or experience chronic heart issues?

 

And we still assume the risk of chronic heart disease, allergic reaction, fluid in the lungs, paralysis, and even shingles.

How effective is it?

 

The shingles vaccine is 90% effective (less than the covid vaccinations against the initial virus for which designed).

@RighteousnessTemperance& offered the effectiveness is actually less.

You took the chance of chronic heart failure, allergic reaction, fluid in the lungs, death, and shingles for a vaccine that provides protection against shingles but may not prevent you from getting shingles.

 

It appears ypu may be working a shell game (comparing covid vaccinations against varients towards which the vaccines were not designed).

But we were talking definitions. The definition remains the same. Vaccines protect against a disease but for not necessarily provide immunity from getting the disease.

 

Well, the truth is the meaning of vaccinations has not changed (as evidenced by your example of the shingles vaccine). The wording changed to clarify.

 

You called the shingles vaccine.

The vaccine claims to be 90% effective in preventing shingles. With breakthrough cases the hope is a milder case of shingles. But you could experience side-effects such as chronic heart finesse, water in the lungs, anaphylaxis, death, and even shingles from the vaccine.

Yet you consider the covid vaccine not a vaccibe because it is not 100% effective in preventing covid, especially with varientstowards which the vaccine was not designed to protect.

How are you not being hypocritical in terms of the definition of "vaccine"?

It looks like you are politically rather than logically driven.

 

Look at the bright side. You are part of a 17% minority which is declining rapidly (at the rate of 3.4 million a day). Once your group is small enough to fit in a camp located in an undisclosed location somewhere in the Mojave Desert you'll probably be fed at least twice a day. :Whistling

 

Numbers do not matter. Vaccines do not have to be equal, and there can be good and bad vaccines.

We are talking definitions.

The shingles vaccine provides protection from getting shingles, or a bad case of shingles. It dies not eliminate the possibility of getting shingles.

The covid vaccine provides a greater degree of protection against getting covid (the covid virus it was designed to protect us from). It also is not 100% but provides protection if infected.

Both the shingles vaccine and the covid vaccine meet the definition of a vaccine. Both provide immunity (functional immunity). Both provide protection. Neither provide sterilising immunity.

You are changing focus away from what we were discussing (the definition of a vaccine). I suspect you realize your mistake and don't want to own up to it. But you may just be unaware.

You are also using figures that include varients (not the initial virus). It is a shell game. Yet still, most of the deaths remain among the unvaccinated.