Seems to me there are a lot of false conservatives on the BB. Seems they want to deny others of many things that I will not go into here, but scream if they think anything will bother them in any way. The flap over NSA taping phone and other records is an example. You who are so righteous in your indignation are too soft on terrorists. I say life as difficult for them as possible. If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear!
NSA Phone Records Surveillance Has Thwarted Terrorism, 'But That's Classified'
Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Crabtownboy, Jun 7, 2013.
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Crabtownboy Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
The bothersome thing about collecting indiscriminate phone records is that it appears the NSA and Homeland Security do not have a clue as to who the terrorists are and where they are. They are putting out the widest net possible because they truly do not know where to look.
Furthermore, it has been established that sophisticated terrorists typically do not use phones because they know they are monitored. They prefer to use anonymous internet chat rooms, bulletin boards, and yes, forums.
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exscentric Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
"Seems to me there are a lot of false conservatives on the BB. Seems they want to deny others of many things that I will not go into here,"
Kind of like sneaking up on someone and hitting them in the head with a baseball bat and running like mad. Typical comes to mind :thumbs:
One attack was thwarted, if we can believe anything the administration says right now. Millions of bucks spent doing the snooping into EVERYONE to catch a couple - and on the data storage center - humm let's see, why would they want to store all this data? With IRS and their targeting fresh in our minds maybe to punish or coherence at some time future when they don't want someone to do something? Seems a logical answer. -
church mouse guy Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Hi, CTB! You know that the Feds have noted that you used the computer on a certain time and day to post here, right? A lot of little kids have cellphones and high school students use cells to text each other the way that we used to write notes so that is all stored in NSA, too. I was a little surprised that all the cell records are in DC and I am not re-assured by Di Fi. The surprise was what Obama promised in 2007--and even Al Gore did not like what Obama has done.
Here is what Obama said in 2007, which is what caused the surprise:
Bush “puts forward a false choice between the liberties we cherish and the security we demand. I will provide our intelligence and law-enforcement agencies with the tools they need to track and take out the terrorists without undermining our Constitution and our freedom,” Obama said in an Aug. 1, 2007 speech in Washington. “We will again set an example for the world that the law is not subject to the whims of stubborn rulers, and that justice is not arbitrary,” Obama added. “This administration acts like violating civil liberties is the way to enhance our security. It is not. There are no short-cuts to protecting America.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...nce-defies-campaign-civil-liberty-pledge.html
Now people at NSA can blackmail politicians for their phone calls by doing a little bit of independent digging on their own. Credit card transactions are also going directly to the Feds. Everything that goes through the telephone system is going to the government. Some of the confusion is that Obama has said that we are not in a war against terror and then justifies this White House extension of the Patriot Act as part of the war against terror. -
Crabtownboy Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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church mouse guy Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Perhaps Al Gore is a false conservative because he tweeted this about NSA:
"In digital era, privacy must be a priority. Is it just me, or is secret blanket surveillance obscenely outrageous?"
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Crabtownboy Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
You can live in delusion, but that will not change the fact that many know more about you and your habits than you do.
Face it, there is no personal security these days. Companies, research tanks, governments, search engines, etc. are all tracking you. -
church mouse guy Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Well, you attacked "false conservatives" so I showed you that ultra-leftist Al Gore had the same point of view, to which you did not reply. I showed you what Obama said when he was running against Bush, to which you did not reply. And I showed you that there is evidence that this was done by Obama without legal authority from the Patriot Act, to which you did not reply.
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just-want-peace Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Crabtownboy Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
The real point is there is no reason to get bent out of shape over the NSA and their legal program. There is no personal privacy! The days of personal privacy are gone ... never to return. The program was with a top secret from a court. I wonder who leaked top secret information and if anything will be done about that?
Like I said, you can coddle terrorists if you want, but I believe in making their life as difficult as possible.
Tracking begins at birth and continues to death ... maybe even longer for all I know. -
Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
The bigger problem is this administration. They have prove incapable of making sure there are no abuses. In fact based on clear and recent evidence it is highly likely this will be abused for political purposes.
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Crabtownboy Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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exscentric Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
"In your opinion how many lives had to be saved to make the effort a good return on investment?"
What a dumb question! Typical comes to mind. :BangHead:
This isn't an investment and there is no return, it is an invasion of an out of control government into our lives. -
Crabtownboy Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Why do you want to coddle terrorists? -
Crabtownboy Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Most of the terrorist acts we've seen or heard about since 9/11 were run by paid informants working for the FBI. Wish the government were as interested in keeping us safe from the FBI and their terror plots. Is that classified? It's been in all the papers. -
Crabtownboy Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Now it would be nice if you would discuss rationally.
Why do you want to protect terrorists and make it easy for them to communicate and plan acts of terror. Very liberal of you.
I am finding that on some issues I am much more conservative than you. That is quite interesting. -
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