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Obama Endorses Homosexuality

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Dragoon68, Jan 28, 2010.

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  1. Revmitchell

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    They can and do get kicked out. Especially if it involves an affair with someone's spouse.
     
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  2. Thinkingstuff

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    I'm ok with it. but how many more aren't? While I was in there was a lot of fornicating and adultry going on and these people weren't kicked out.
     
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    I agree. But this isn't about what Godly men should stand against. It's about whether lifting "don't ask don't tell" will be a detriment to the military.
     
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    Godly men, and even most un-Godly men, know that it is. They know there's a good reason such conduct is a detriment and, therefore, prohibited by the regulations and grounds for expulsion.
     
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    Any conduct that is a detriment to discipline and good order should be addressed. Even fraternization is addressed and that's no more than what some people would just call "being friends with the boss"! Homosexuality is a slam dunk!
     
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    I think we're all in agreement. But one must address the conduct when conduct occurrs. IOW, if an enlisted man commits a gay act in the course of his duties, then address it.
     
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    Actually, you just made a key point by using the term "majority". The military is not a place to experiment with giving opportunity to possible exceptions to the rule, even if it were possible, because the risks are too great.

    The facts are the Biblical record, our historical experience for several generations, and the experiences of millions of men who've served honorably in the military and witnessed the adverse impact homosexuality can have.

    It is the assertions that it's not that big of a problem that are not credible!
     
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    We often screen people in advance for many reasons. There's nothing wrong with doing that to exclude homosexuality. It's just good common sense. The reason homosexuals don't want this screening is so they can get in, practice their disruptive and sinful behavior openly, and then make it impossible to remove them. We should be able to see that!
     
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    If so, then we should do it with fornication across the board. We should simply bar anyone who has a history of fornication from enlisting, since fornication is scripturally defined as an abomination.
     
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    Yes that would be consistent.
     
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    For all those who oppose gays in the military but say they support the military this should prove interesting.
     
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    no more than a fornecator.
     
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    I never saw gays disruptive when I was in the Army. However the heavy drinkers were often very disruptive. Should we throw them out?

    My first team chief was a mean drunk .... he was straight but mean when drunk. That was disruptive!

    I am curious Dragoon, were you in the military?
     
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    I personally saw several drunks booted out.
     
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    If it were as serious of detriment to the military as homosexuality is then, yes, we should but because it is not, no, we don't need to apply the same rules. Legalism tries to destroy common sense.
     
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    What Secretary Gates has to say verses what millions of men who've served honorably past and present are probably two entirely different things.
     
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    Yes, yes, and yes! After over eight years of posting I find the last question almost comical!
     
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    They are equally disruptive!
     
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    So, should the disruptive drunks and the adulterers be thrown out of the military?

    What branch of the service were you in?
    Where were you stationed?
     
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    Question one has already been answered. Extending the proposed justification logic, it wouldn't be that much of a stretch to eliminate all restrictions of any type conduct. That's what compromise brings about - the ultimate decay of any standard at all! The more restrictions homosexuals can eliminate the more bold and blatant they will become.

    Questions two and three seem like a lead in to something else. I served honorably in peace and war. What's your point?
     
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