Okay, so what did Judge Roy Moore do wrong...

The Mayflower Compact did not found a new country. They intended only to found a new colony, in the existing country of England. The puritans were a separatist group of the Anglican faith. They were persecuted for their separatist beliefs, and intended to found a colony where they would practice their faith without oppression.

Interestingly, we give much credence to the Pilgrims for being the first settlers (1620) even though the colonial settlements of New Amsterdam and Jamestown preceded them by several years. I'm not sure why, as I'm not a history buff. Perhaps someone else could answer that question.

 

Our nation was founded on Christian principles. </font>[/QUOTE]No, it wasn't. It was founded on a separation of church and state rule. England was forcing their religious beliefs upon people and those who fled were in protest of that. I have some quotes by Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin and George Washington that would curl your hair

"Our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry" - Thomas Jefferson


Now you are stomping on my family's history! My 11th great-grandmother was Mary Chilton, a young girl who was said to be the first woman to set foot on ground at Plymouth Rock. I know whereof I speak on this one as surely as I know my own name. </font>[/QUOTE]If that's the case then, you should be familiar with the Mayflower Compact.

Source - Internet </font>[/QUOTE]Very familiar, indeed. But that is for the Colonies. We are the United States of America now and we have a separate constitution that has nothing to do with what was decided by the people of the Mayflower.

"Our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry" - Thomas Jefferson

 

Ahhh yes, they went against the grain, didn't they Johnv? The non-lock step mentality must be in my genes

I'm not sure why the Pilgrims were given the honor instead of the settlers you mentioned. But I'm betting there were political reasons

 

Wait a minute.

You brought up the subject of Plymouth Rock and stomping on your family's history to "prove" your side of the debate. Clearly, as we can see from the Mayflower Compact, the Plymouth Rock colony was founded on Christian principles. So once you concede that bringing up Plymouth Rock was a death blow to proving your side of this debate, we can move on to the Founding Fathers. Please proceed to curl our hair with quotes from the Founding Fathers.

But allow me to introduce this: Whether or not you provide any quotes to curl our hair, our side can produce quotes to curl yours.

The point remains, the FF brought with them a rich Judeo-Christian heritage, not Buddhist, not Native American, not Islam, not Shintoism, but a Judeo-Christian heritage and values which were based in part on the 10 Commandments. They came here for religious freedom, not to free themselves from religion. </font>[/QUOTE]WHOA! You wait a minute! If you recall, someone said we were a country based on Christian principles! No it wasn't! In fact, the founding fathers of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA had some rather rough things to say about Christians! Yes, the Christians were among the first here and the Mayflower folk (for the most part) had strong religious beliefs, but other than a few one nation under God deals, where in the Constitution does it say we are a Christian nation? And furthermore, how Christian was it to tromp all over the American Indians and STEAL their land from them? Kill their buffalo, which was their main source of food? Kill them, their families, their children? How is that basing our nation on Christian principles? And what about the slaves???? George Washington, along with most of the signers of the Constitution, owned SLAVES!

And excuse me once again, but unless you ARE NOT on God's side, then we are on the SAME side! Just because we don't agree on a few things doesn't mean we aren't on the same side! Did Jesus always agree with all of his disciples?

 

That is funny that you should mention that. When I am in Richmond for the weekend, I usually go down to Jamestowne Island for a bike ride. I was listening to a particularly riveting narrative given by one of the rangers, and he theorizes that the reason Plymouth is given so much more attention is the fact that they were fleeing persecution. Jamestowne was established for one reason: "FOR PROFIT." [Capitals used to imply a bellowing sound - not shouting ]

God's Best to you and your family,
BiR

 

That is funny that you should mention that. When I am in Richmond for the weekend, I usually go down to Jamestowne Island for a bike ride. I was listening to a particularly riveting narrative given by one of the rangers, and he theorizes that the reason Plymouth is given so much more attention is the fact that they were fleeing persecution. Jamestowne was established for one reason: "FOR PROFIT." [Capitals used to imply a bellowing sound - not shouting ]

God's Best to you and your family,
BiR

 

Oops, I somehow outsmarted flood control and double posted.

&lt;blush&gt;

 

The United States of America was indeed founded on Christian principles, and all of the foot stomping and whining and historical revisionism by liberals will never, ever change that fact.

 

Tell that to Haym Solomon.......

Regards,
BiR

 

Who?

 

Haym Solomon.
I have actually visited his grave.

 

Thanks, LadyEagle.

His grave isn't actually marked, but there is a marker put there by his family.

Regards,
BiR

I was going to provide this link:
http://www.nps.gov/revwar/about_the_revolution/haym_salomom.html

 

From your point of view, that should have been the right thing to do, since Indian tribes did not separate government from religion. We had to show them they were wrong; right?

BTW, on tribal lands today there are schools and other establishments which receive public funds. Do they teach native religions, their creation stories, et al?

 

Ah, but which "Christian rule?"

 

You know, a State being able to outlaw abortion if the people of the State wich to do so. Stuff like that, BiR.

 

A state?