Here is a good article by an "Arminian" Baptist about how God is presented in the Old Testament and how he is presented in the New Testament:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/rogereolson/2012/02/regarding-old-testament-texts-of-terror/
Old Testament, New Testament
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Michael Wrenn, Mar 17, 2012.
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Let's look at some of these wonderful gems from this article:
You can say what you want...but this is outright apostasy from truth.This is not acceptable in a christian forum.:(
here is more of this garbage...pitting the OT against the NT....
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What I got out of that horrible article is that there are parts of the OT and NT that he does not like so he wants to take a black marker and cross out what he doesn't agree with - he wants a bible of his own making. :(
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
maybe john Shelby Spong would like this article. -
To me, the relationship between the Old and New Testement is nothing but perfect harmony. (Not like Id like to teach the world to sing). For example, to be simple about it, Genesis 1:1-2 puts the Father and Holy Spirit at Creation, and John 1:1-14 puts Christ at Creation. The exchange between the OT and NT on prophecy and fulfillment is nothing short of amazing, like Micah 5:2. I could go on and on.
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Hmm... that's how I would describe you, plus a few other descriptions -- Pharisaical accuser of the brethren is one which comes to mind.
This man is a member of the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship, a group of moderate and moderate/conservative Southern Baptists. For accuracy, the liberal group would be the Alliance of Baptists.
I expected you to twist and mischaracterize this, as you do most everything that doesn't fit into your fanatical, radical fundamentalism.
This man is trying to say that the Old Testament should be interpreted through the lens of the life and teachings of Jesus, as I have stated here myself. People like you and like the first century Judaizers who criticized and ultimately were responsible for Jesus' death, do the opposite -- promote an Old Testament Christianity.
So, you think you have a corner on "truth" and what is "Christian". I'm glad God is in charge and not you. -
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This man is clearly a moderate evangelical.
I thought this article would be a good discussion starter about some of the problems I've seen some people have with parts of the Old testament. But instead of anyone having the intellectual honesty or maybe capacity to see what the man is saying, all some of you can do is start poisoning the thread with your pathetic fanaticism. You misrepresent what the man is saying -- intentionally or out of ignorance.
As much trouble as I have with the RCC, I have come to the conclusion that there's nothing worse than a fundamentalist fanatic. Talk about repentance, some of you will be required to do that someday. I have never seen such invective and hatefulness in my life as what I've seen here. I knew a former Methodist-turned-Roman Catholic on another forum that approached it, but he didn't quite sink in the mire to the level that you people have. -
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I will be in prayer for you. -
And ol' Criswell really reflects Jesus with such comments, doesn't he? Yeah, about as much as you reflect Him.
I'd say the smell emanating from Criswell is quite odorous, so what is he? -
Seems like some here who claim to be Baptists have great difficulty with major parts of the earliest Baptist confessions of faith.
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And I'll say this: If mandym, iconoclast, and anyone else personally attacks me with their vile untruths, I will defend myself. I have "turned the other cheek" before but never again.
I wanted to have a good, honest discussion in a Christlike manner, but that's not possible with foaming-at-the-mouth fanatics. -
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Aside from that, there are people who have been here a long time who are a one issue person, and extreme at that. You will notice them linger in the areas of KJVO, Calvinism, Arminianism, Landmarkism, Baptist Bride, no missions, closed communion, etc. I am not saying I agree or disagree with any of these, I am saying these evoke the most hatred, and to a lesser degree, Creationism, and end times doctrine.
Now, as to this thread, one of the basics of Baptist doctrine, and Presbyterian for that matter, it the harmony of the Old and New Testement. I gave some examples above, but everything the Lord did in the OT, I might not like from a human perspective, but He is God, and I have to believe it was the exact thing that needed doing. Every act in the OT brings about the perfect conditions for the coming of Jesus Christ, and the NT is the fulfillment of that. I think the premise of the article that said "one must assume the Bible is literally inspired" well, I believe it is. There are some parables and allegories, song, prophecy, history, proverbs, etc. but the Bible is 100 percent true whether I like the account or not.
I stay away from the radicals you talk about, because their doctrine is either plain wrong or makes a major point out of a minor point. For example, not one person more or less is going to be saved because the Rapture does or does not happen, or if I went to an open or closed communion.
It is a matter of having an internal filter. The Holy Spirit is a great filter. Also, one thing to remember is that this is just words typed by people you do not know. It is not a local church. -
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