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Discussion in 'Creation vs. Evolution' started by robycop3, Dec 30, 2019.

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  1. KeyserSoze

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    I'm by no means an expert in regards to this particular interpretation of scripture, but doesn't this scenario have something in common with the JWs interpretation of the text..?
     
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    God will preserve the earth until he redoes new heavens and new earth, correct?
     
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    Now, you try to insult me by calling me a JW. When do you think you will get around trying to refute my view scientifically, historically, or in any other way? I'm the youngest of the Young Earthers since I show that the first Day of Creation was only 6 Days ago.
     
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    What your textbook said sounds reasonable compared to the evidential nonsense atheistic evolutionists presented to me over the years starting in middle school and never stopping. Anyone imagining it didn’t develop as a man-made religion (akin to Tower of Babel) which still has many adherents has missed a lot of history.
     
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    Sorry Rev, but this is not simple ad hominem . It has a basis in fact.
    If you look up ICRs tax status, you'll find it listed as a religious "ministry". NOT as a science organization.
    Also, If you go to creationist websites, you will clearly see that most have a "statement of faith" page that everyone who works there must sign.
    These statements make it clear that these ministries will NOT accept any evidence that contradicts their biblical interpretations. That's not science.. Science REQUIRES them to follow the evidence where it leads, regardless of their beliefs.
    What sites like ICR and AnswersinGenesis, etc do is start with the idea that THEIR interpretation of scripture HAS to be correct, and then attempt to "mold" or misrepresent any evidence that proves them wrong.. That's NOT science.. That's developing their pre conceived conclusion in advance in spite of evidence to the contrary.
    Here, this is AiGs statement of faith.
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    "No apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the Scriptural record."

    Now, how blatant is that..? They are coming right out and admitting to you that they will NOT accept ANY evidence as valid (even if its "apparent") if it contradicts their own religious interpretations. That's NOT science.. That's outright fraud.

    Now look at ICR..
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    "All things in the universe were created and made by god in the six literal days of the creation week described in Genesis 1-1 2:3, and confirmed in Exodus 20:8-11. The creation record is factual, historical, and perspicuous; thus all theories of origins or development which involve evolution in any form are false."

    Here, they are coming right out and telling you quite clearly "ALL theories which involve evolution are false"
    They've already made up their mind that evolution is false.. It HAS to be false.. Their stated position is evidence be damned.. if it involves evolution, IT MUST BE FALSE"..

    When an organization is telling you up front that no matter what evidence you show them, its not going to matter..?
    Then they are making a mockery of the scientific endeavor..
     
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    No insult intended.. I thought i once heard a JW on one of my other message boards make similar claims..
    It may have been simple coincidence.
     
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    Since we have already established that religious higher education facilities also accept the old earth tests of modern geology, your claim that this is some form of conspiracy to "discredit god" is not grounded in reality.
     
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    I see. So you are using biblical text to refute the laws of physics.? Interesting.
    So let me see if i understand your logic correctly..?
    Since the Bible says "god will preserve the earth" that means that we humans can dump anything we want onto this planet and god will make sure there are no consequences for our actions..?
    Then why have humans destroyed entire species ecosystems with pollutants and pesticides..?
    Shouldn't God have stepped in and "preserved the earth" then too..?
     
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    You need to learn what an adhominem is. Further it is a logical fallacy to criticize the source without addressing what the source says as if the criticism is proof that what is said is wrong. It doesnt work that way. You have offered no proof of any error.
     
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    The religious groups that accept that are Theistic Evolutionists, who make science their sacred cow, and deny scripture in inspired and infallible!
     
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    Are the scriptures inspired and infallible?
     
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    Yes, IF you have the proper interpretation. God's Truth MUST agree with every other discovered Truth or your interpretation is wrong. That is because God the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, is the Author.
     
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    Those not agreeing with it being inspired and infallible will bring in Myth, accommodation to culture of the days, comparing OT to the ancient history texts, basically any way to make sure evolution gets seen as "true"
     
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    There is no scientific evidence for the evolution of a primate into a human.

    Zero. Zip. Nada.
     
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    You have no clue what science is.

    This is the scientific test for evolution.

    1. Take primate.

    2. Make Human.

    Have you done that?

    No?

    Then you haven't proven anything other than you're another snake oil salesman.
     
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    Your prophet Obama disagrees with you.
     
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    Godless people changed descent with modification, into the term "evolution" and then added other godless theories, in order to eliminate God from His own Creation. God set a trap to catch them though, and today they are ensnared in God's SNARE, which He set with the flood. In their hast to declare their rejection of God's Truth, they forgot about the flood. 2 Peter 3;3-7 Without the flood, the people of planet Earth would still be living in caves and chasing our food around. That's God's Truth
     
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    Then it should be easy for you to explain HOW the DNA of Mitochondrial Eve got inside EVERY Human on planet Earth today. She looked like an Ape and had descended from an Ape and was more like a primate than a Human. God explains in Genesis 6:4 and shows that the sons of God (prehistoric people) could and did produce children with Adam's descendants.
     
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    1. The sons of God (prehistoric people) who descended from the last universal common ancestor
    2. Humans are the descendants of Adam

    God told us all about it in Genesis 6:4. No magical evolution required. Only the ability to marry and produce children with Adam's superior intelligence, which is like God's, Genesis 3:22 with people who descended from Apes. That's God's irrefutable Truth Scripturally, scientifically, historically, genetically and mathematically.
     
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