I am not sure that denying a passage while saying you are not is a logical position.
Either those who have been redeemed, who call God "Father", who have been chosen by God's foreknowledge", and who have been born again will be judged by God impartially according to their works or Scripture is wrong.
You can't hold your position on my post and not deny God's Word.
The more logical (and biblical) direction you could have taken was a discussion in the manner of this judgment. Instead you became fixated on the judgment of the lost.
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Welp, Jon, looks like your train didn't make it.
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I will take them at their word.
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Scripture tells us several times that we will be judged by our works. We will be held accountable for our voice. We will be held accountable for our works.
We cannot deny that without denying Scripture.
I am not talking about the judgment of the lost (condemnation).
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I asked if you believed those redeemed by the blood of Christ would be impartiality judged by God according to thir works. You answered that they wouldn't.
That is directly denying the passage. I even tried to pull you back from denying the passage by pointing out we were not defining that judgment (but you kept pushing towards the judgment of the lost).
But to present a biblical answer, we should conduct ourselves knowing that God will judge our works. We will be accountable for our voice and deeds.
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How would judging a Christian by their works and holding a believer accountable for their voice (which Scripture says God WILL do) equate to going to Hell???.
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Isaiah 53:10; Psalms 116:7
1. From whence this fear and unbelief?
Hast thou, O Father, put to grief
Thy spotless Son for me?
And will the righteous Judge of men
Condemn me for that debt of sin
Which, Lord, was charged on thee?
2. Complete atonement thou hast made,
And to the utmost farthing paid
Whate’er thy people owed;
How then can wrath on me take place,
If sheltered in thy righteousness,
And sprinkled with thy blood?
3. If thou hast my discharge procured,
And freely in my room endured
The whole of wrath divine,
Payment God cannot twice demand,
First at my bleeding Surety’s hand,
And then again at mine.
4. Turn, then, my soul, unto thy rest;
The merits of thy great High Priest
Speak peace and liberty;
Trust in his efficacious blood,
Nor fear thy banishment from God,
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Believers are not judged by God to determine whether we are “saved” but rather our works are judged by God as to whether they are worthy of a profession of faith in Jesus.
Do I understand you correctly?
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I like to say Baptists don’t believe doing any good work will get them into heaven… and many have decided to prove it.
Salvation is always about a transformed life which includes doing the works God has prepared for us.
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The flesh is still the flesh. The elect's soul is regenerated, not his flesh. It is still the same filthy, vile, wretched body as it was before regeneration( Romans 7:7-25). The new body comes at the resurrection when Christ returns and establishes the new heavens and earth in which righteousness dwells. As Ephesians 2:10 states, it is only the works that God has already ordained and that He does in His elect that they do anything good(1 Corinthians 15:10; Galatians 2:20). -
But I don't know how our works are judged. That is something I have wondered about.
What I do know is that Peter addresses "born again", "redeemed", "sanctified" believers and tells them to conduct their lives in a holy manner knowing that the God they call Father will also judge them according to their works.
I know that Jesus told us we are accountable for our voice.
I know that Paul speaks of the believer will be accountable for his works - that some will be reworded but others will have everything burned up, though they themselves will be saved (as one who escapes a fire).
So to simply suggest Christians will not be judged according to their works (although they themselves will be saved) is to deny several passages.
But I do not know how that will look.
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The Bible says several times that Christians will be judged according to their works.
Now, you keep going back to salvation which is not the issue. You keep talking about the judgment of the lost, which is not the issue. You say Christians will not go to Hell, which nobody denies.
Get on the subject, Bro. There is a reason Jesus, Paul, and Peter spoke of God judging believers by their works. -
The saved were judged at the cross of Christ for their sins, but still face a judgment of their works for rewards or loss of rewards.
The loss are to be judged to determine if they are to receive few or many stripes. -
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