I'm Independent Baptist and yes we believe Saved Once Saved Always, there is so many scripture that backs it John 3:15 and 3:16 for 2, other
verses that tell us he will in no wise cast out, sealed unto the day of redemption, the only Baptist that I know that believe you can loose your salvation is the Free Qill Baptit and they aew divided on it
Once saved always saved
Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by TP, Dec 31, 2004.
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Greetings,
When I speak of Hope, it is hope in the promise of Christ and Grace he has given to me. It is a hope because he has filled me with his holy Spirit, and made me a temple of God where I can cry out 'abba, father'. It is a hope that comes from being Re-created in the order of grace, through Jesus Christ our Lord. This is what I mean when I say HOPE.
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Now what about 1 John telling us we can know we have eternal life?
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TP: Have you ever been down the Roman's Road?
Please take a minute to go there. The wording is the same in your Bible as it is in mine. The trip is well worth it!
Romans 3:10
"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"
Romans 3:23
"For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God."
Romans 5:12
"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for all have sinned."
Romans 6:23
"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ, our Lord." (Italics mine)
Romans 5:8
"But God commandeth his love toward us in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."
Romans 10:9-13
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek; for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."
Matthew 10:32
"Whosoever, therefore, shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father, who is in heaven."
Blessings,
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TP I love your teachings. In your bio you state you are a Catholic Priest, if you are a parish Priest your parishinors are very lucky to have you. I am now a Catholic convert and I am in awe of what the church teaches and how scriptual she really is.
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Hi grace56,
This thread is about OSAS and I would like to know if you have eternal life as 1 John declares you can know?
As for how scripturally correct "she" is, I'll let that for another thread. I'm sure if you stay around here you will get quite an eye opening!
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God Bless! -
Eternal = forever PERIOD!
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padredurand Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Then his trustworthy statement:
</font>- For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him</font>
</font>- If we endure, we will also reign with Him</font>
That's the same word Paul used in verse 10. He says, "I have remained, bore trials, had fortitude and persevered, abided, endured suffered for the chosen.
</font>- If we deny Him, He also will deny us</font>
How do they deny Him? They do not remain or bear trials, they do not have fortitude nor persevere, abide or endure suffering.
You would say that those that deny Him after their "conversion" were never saved in the first place. I say they counted the cost of discipleship and determined it was too high. -
Matthew 10:33 “But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven."
deny:
1)to contradict or declare untrue
2)to declare as untrue
3)to refuse to acknowledge or recognize
4)to refuse to grant: withhold
This has nothing to do with "bearing trials, having fortitude, perservering, abiding, or enduring suffering".
It has to do with denying that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and accepting Him as personal Lord and Savior.
My earthly father will always be my earthly father - no matter what I do, nothing can change that.
My Heavenly Father will always be my Heavenly Father - no matter what I do, nothing can change that.
Once saved - always saved.
Once a father - always a father.
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A quick point in reference. If OSAS is true, what would it be the proper interpretation of the following verses:
Phil 3,12 -Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus
Phil 2,12 - Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling
1 Cor 9,27 -But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway
Rom 8,24 -For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope:for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Seems to me that Paul was not very sure of his salvation.
Thanks
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Would love to comment on these passages, but I am waiting response to the passages I have put forth first. I gave what I believed to be a plausible interpretation of Hebrews 6. One of which has support by many commentarians. And now it is my turn. After we discuss the following passages, then we can get to yours. Feel free to add your thoughts on them. I am still waiting for some of the others to respond.
Here they are...
Can you give me a viable option to the scripture I quoted from 1 Thess 5:23-24 where it claims what Jesus " will do ", that is sanctify wholly and preserve blameless?
Here is another one, please explain to me that it could mean something other than what it appears to say....
"But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst ; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life ." (John 4:14)
I see " never thirst " and " shall be everlasting life ".
Now explain how something everlasting can cease to exist!
Also, I am asking everyone if they have eternal life. 1 John tells us we can know. Do you?
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I still cannot figure out your position. It seems to be that you believe both ways :confused:
Maybe you can answer my questions above.
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padredurand Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
First, that God is always faithful. I don't doubt this in any way, shape or form.
Second, He cannot deny himself. This, I believe is a quality of His faithfulness. "For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him; if we endure, we will also reign with Him". That statement is consistent with His promises.
Third, man has the ability to be faithless. "If we deny Him, He also will deny us". That too is consistent with His promises.
My position? I don't think anyone loses their salvation arbitrarily e.g.; you smoked a cigarette while waiting in line for a Sunday morning movie skipping church because the dance/card party on Saturday night.....you get the idea. Grace is much bigger than that. But for the man who once believed that now " has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace...";(Hebrews 10:29) what is God to do? Ignore it? -
Again, Maybe you can answer my questions above.
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God Bless! -
padredurand Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
And I offered what I believe to be a plausible understanding of Hebrews 6 also supported by many commentarians. What part of I John would you like to discuss.
1 John 5:13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
Absolutely!
1 John 5:10-12
10 The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son.
11 And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
12 He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
No doubt.
1 John 4:20
20 If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen.
What if we know him as a professing believer?
1 John 2:4
4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;
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Here they are...
Can you give me a viable option to the scripture I quoted from 1 Thess 5:23-24 where it claims what Jesus " will do ", that is sanctify wholly and preserve blameless?
Here is another one, please explain to me that it could mean something other than what it appears to say....
"But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst ; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life ." (John 4:14)
I see " never thirst " and " shall be everlasting life ".
Now explain how something everlasting can cease to exist!
God Bless! -
God Bless! -
padredurand Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Are you waiting for me to say that he must not have been saved in the first place? You've been fishing for someone to say it for half a dozen posts. Just get it out in the open so we can start talking about Lordship salvation. You'll quote I John 2:19. We'll disagree on Packer and MacArthur and end with the predictable those Calvinist/Arminians are so hammerheaded.
The text from I Thessalonians is an excellent text to discuss the Wesleyan teaching about holiness. We could start another thread on it.
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