1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Featured Palm Sunday myth.

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by 37818, Apr 13, 2019.

  1. 37818

    37818 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2018
    Messages:
    1,886
    Likes Received:
    102
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Jesus entered Jerusalem, John 12:12, the day after what was not a Sabbath, ". . . they made him a supper; . . ." -- John 12:1-2.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  2. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2011
    Messages:
    12,062
    Likes Received:
    167
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Why do we celebrate Palm Sunday, if John indicates Jesus entered on Monday? What if Jesus entered twice, once briefly on Sunday, and then went to Bethany?
    Mark 11:1-10
    11:1 Now1 as they approached Jerusalem, near Bethphage and Bethany, at the Mount of Olives,4 Jesus5 sent two of his disciples As soon as you enter it, you will find a colt tied there that has never been ridden. Untie it and bring it here. and will send it back here soon.’” they went and found a colt tied at a door, outside in the street, and untied it. 11:5 Some people standing there said to them, “What are you doing, untying that colt?” let them go. they brought the colt to Jesus, threw their cloaks12 on it, and he sat on it. 11:8 Many spread their cloaks on the road and others spread branches they had cut in the fields. Blessed is the one who comes in the name of the Lord! 11:10 Blessed is the coming kingdom of our father David! Hosanna in the highest!” Jesus entered Jerusalem and went to the temple. And after looking around at everything, he went out to Bethany with the twelve since it was already late.
    John 12:1-2
    12:1 Then, six days before the Passover, Jesus came to Bethany, where Lazarus lived, whom he had raised from the dead. there. Martha was serving, and Lazarus was among those present at the table with him.
    John 12: 12-14
    12:12 The next day the large crowd that had come to the feast heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem. and went out to meet him. They began to shout, “Hosanna! Blessed is the one who comes in the name of the Lord! Blessed is the king of Israel!” 12:14 Jesus found a young donkey and sat on it, just as it is written,
     
    #2 Van, Apr 13, 2019
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2019
  3. MartyF

    MartyF Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2018
    Messages:
    474
    Likes Received:
    46
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Awesome!!!

    I'll call in my religious holiday this monday.

    Thanks, I really didn't want to go to work!
     
  4. 37818

    37818 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2018
    Messages:
    1,886
    Likes Received:
    102
    Faith:
    Baptist
    If the Passover was Wednesday, 6 days before would be Thursday, the entery into Jerusalem the next day would be Friday. 30 A.D.

    Now in 33 A.D. the Passover which Mark 14:12 refers was a Friday. According to Mark 14:12 Christ would have been crucified the following day. But that is not how it is interpreted with Friday being the 14th (Exodus 12:6; Exodus 12:18). The common thinking is Christ had to be crucified on that 14th being a Friday. 6 days before would be a Saturday, the next day is Sunday.

    Oh, and the interpretation is made that that supper was made Saturday eveniing, when the Sabbath had ended.
     
    #4 37818, Apr 13, 2019
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2019
  5. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2011
    Messages:
    12,062
    Likes Received:
    167
    Faith:
    Baptist
    It is a nice trip from myth to fringe interpretation. Six days before the Sabbath is the prior Sunday. Thus Palm Sunday. Jesus died on the following Friday, spent 3 days in the tomb (part of Friday, all day Saturday, and part of Sunday) and arose Sunday about sun up. That is the traditional view, mine as well.

    On Easter Sunday, I will greet my siblings in Christ with "He is risen" and they will respond, "He has risen indeed!" Old school. :)
     
    • Like Like x 1
  6. 37818

    37818 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2018
    Messages:
    1,886
    Likes Received:
    102
    Faith:
    Baptist
    That is on the assumption that the 14th, the Passover was on the Friday. And the assumption that that supper was made that Saturday evening after that Sabbath ended. But that view denies Mark 14:12 was the 14th being the Passover per Exodus 12:6, Exodus 12:18.
     
  7. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2011
    Messages:
    12,062
    Likes Received:
    167
    Faith:
    Baptist
    The old school view is the Passover was Saturday, and therefore Jesus died on Friday around the same hour many Jewish families were killing their Passover lamb. No one denies Exodus refers to the 14th day of the month, what is denied is that the Passover was some day other than Saturday.
     
  8. 37818

    37818 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2018
    Messages:
    1,886
    Likes Received:
    102
    Faith:
    Baptist
    That view is still a denial of Mark 14:12 being the Passover per Exodus 12:6 and Exodus 12:18. Christ being crucified the following day.
     
  9. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2011
    Messages:
    12,062
    Likes Received:
    167
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I have presented my view, the traditional one. Your view IMHO denies truth.
     
  10. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2006
    Messages:
    44,724
    Likes Received:
    1,967
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Awful glad we had someone to come along and all of the sudden straighten us out on this. Whew!
     
    • Like Like x 1
  11. rlvaughn

    rlvaughn Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2001
    Messages:
    7,982
    Likes Received:
    630
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Why celebrate Palm Sunday as different from every other Sunday, even if John indicates Jesus entered on Sunday?
    Why not do that every Sunday?
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  12. Rob_BW

    Rob_BW Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2015
    Messages:
    3,517
    Likes Received:
    897
    Faith:
    Baptist
    People of today reading the Dead Sea Scrolls: Whoo, boy, look at how much these guys argue about the correct dating of the calendar.

    People 1000 years in the future reading the Baptistboard archives: Whoo, boy, look at how much these guys argue about the correct dating of biblical events.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  13. loDebar

    loDebar Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2018
    Messages:
    2,454
    Likes Received:
    77
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Palm Sunday is before Passion Week not during or after
     
  14. loDebar

    loDebar Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2018
    Messages:
    2,454
    Likes Received:
    77
    Faith:
    Baptist
    He dies Wed afternoon, like a PASSOVER LAMB. Passover began Thursday at sunset
     
  15. 37818

    37818 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2018
    Messages:
    1,886
    Likes Received:
    102
    Faith:
    Baptist
    In 30 A.D. the 14th was Wednesday.
    In 33 A.D. the 14th was Friday.
    In 31 A.D. the 14th was Monday.
    In 32 A.D. the 14th was Monday.
    In 34 A.D. the 14th was Monday.
    In 29 A.D. the 14th was Saturday.
     
    #15 37818, Apr 14, 2019
    Last edited: Apr 14, 2019
  16. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2011
    Messages:
    12,062
    Likes Received:
    167
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Six days before the Sabbath is the prior Sunday. Thus Palm Sunday. Jesus died on the following Friday, spent 3 days in the tomb (part of Friday, all day Saturday, and part of Sunday) and arose Sunday about sun up. That is the traditional view, mine as well.
     
  17. percho

    percho Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2009
    Messages:
    4,520
    Likes Received:
    90
    Faith:
    Baptist
    In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

    I think he died on the fourteenth day, the Passover, a Wednesday, and the feast began at sunset that same Wednesday, the fifteenth day of the first month which began at sunset.
     
  18. loDebar

    loDebar Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2018
    Messages:
    2,454
    Likes Received:
    77
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Jesus did not die on Fri, before the weekly sabbath, He dies on Wed afternoon before Passover
     
  19. loDebar

    loDebar Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2018
    Messages:
    2,454
    Likes Received:
    77
    Faith:
    Baptist
    The Hebrew day begins at Sunset, He ate the Feast of Preparation as the Last Supper. He was dead the next afternoon before the Passover Seder
     
  20. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2011
    Messages:
    12,062
    Likes Received:
    167
    Faith:
    Baptist
    This thread has people making claims not supported from scripture, but rather from historical references that could be right or could be wrong. Six days before the Sabbath is the prior Sunday. Thus Palm Sunday. Jesus died on the following Friday, spent 3 days in the tomb (part of Friday, all day Saturday, and part of Sunday) and arose Sunday about sun up. That is the traditional view, mine as well.

    I have shown from Mark that Jesus entered Jerusalem on Sunday. Thus Palm Sunday.

    Yes, others believe the traditional view is incorrect based on historical sources, not scripture.
     
Loading...