Pastor Anderson's run in with border patrol a few months ago

[annsni]

I find this very interesting. He's quite vocal recently with his run-in last week and has been on the news and all over the internet with his complaints.

I just saw this on his wife's blog and found him to be very hostile. Is this a godly response to the law? The most recent issue was apparently not his first run-in with border patrol. I wonder if he's on a watch list or something?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFS7oZtE8Ks&feature=related

 

[donnA]

there are certain rules and laws to crossing the border, when you cross you are bound by those laws. this man seems to not care about law, his behavior was quite hostile, which should not be. but what else do we expect from sanderson.

 

[Ed Edwards]

The only border Mr. Anderson crossed was the border between California and Arizona. Last time I knew, both California and Arizona were part of the United States of America. The 'drug check point' was 75 miles away from the Mexico-USofA border.

BTW, I am totally against giving Mr. Anderson a bully pulpit for links to his filthy sermons and the smutty replies of the enemies he collects like a pile of dog stuff collects flys. I hope this post is deleted.

 

[Amy.G]

Wow. Are we in Russia?

If Mr. Anderson had done anything illegal, he would not have been allowed to leave. The fact that they let him go is proof they are searching vehicles illegally. Most people just don't know their constitutional rights.

 

[annsni]

However, refusing to open the window to speak and ignoring their instruction to show them his ID is VERY hostile and as the officer said, varies from the norm and sets him up for further investigation. Why not just open the window, give them your ID and be friendly? Why start out with hostility?

 

[matt wade]

Wow. Are we in Russia?

If Mr. Anderson had done anything illegal, he would not have been allowed to leave. The fact that they let him go is proof they are searching vehicles illegally. Most people just don't know their constitutional rights.

So, by your line of thinking the police should not question people or attempt to gather evidence at all, right? You are saying that since they let him go and didn't charge him with a crime it was an illegal search. If law enforcement had to follow your rules, then we would never convict anyone of anything. Your logic is seriously flawed.

Please tell me where there is a consitutional right to refuse a search when an officer has probable cause? Sorry, you can't do it, because it doesn't exist.

 

[Amy.G]

However, refusing to open the window to speak and ignoring their instruction to show them his ID is VERY hostile and as the officer said, varies from the norm and sets him up for further investigation. Why not just open the window, give them your ID and be friendly? Why start out with hostility?

Because under the 4th amendment, he doesn't have to. And the officers knew that or they would have arrested him.

As much as you may dislike Mr. Anderson, he had every right to do what he did. It was law enforcement that was in error.

There is nothing wrong with demanding our rights as U.S. citizens.

 

[Amy.G]

So, by your line of thinking the police should not question people or attempt to gather evidence at all, right? You are saying that since they let him go and didn't charge him with a crime it was an illegal search. If law enforcement had to follow your rules, then we would never convict anyone of anything. Your logic is seriously flawed.

Please tell me where there is a consitutional right to refuse a search when an officer has probable cause? Sorry, you can't do it, because it doesn't exist.

There was no probable cause. Did you watch the video? Mr. Anderson asked repeatedly what was the probable cause for the search. Finally the officer said "I have no idea". If there is no probable cause and no search warrant, no search can take place legally.

I can't believe you actually want the government to conduct illegal searches. Doesn't the government already have enough control of our lives without violating our constitutional rights?

 

[annsni]

Because under the 4th amendment, he doesn't have to. And the officers knew that or they would have arrested him.

As much as you may dislike Mr. Anderson, he had every right to do what he did. It was law enforcement that was in error.

There is nothing wrong with demanding our rights as U.S. citizens.

And there is nothing wrong with cutting in front of someone when we have the right of way - but what is the Godly response? If these men know that Mr. Anderson is a believer in Jesus Christ, what kind of testimony did he just give? For some reason, I do not see this sort of action promoted in Scripture. I see examples of Godly men that are completely different than what I just saw in this video.

 

[tinytim]

The only border Mr. Anderson crossed was the border between California and Arizona. Last time I knew, both California and Arizona were part of the United States of America. The 'drug check point' was 75 miles away from the Mexico-USofA border.

BTW, I am totally against giving Mr. Anderson a bully pulpit for links to his filthy sermons and the smutty replies of the enemies he collects like a pile of dog stuff collects flys. I hope this post is deleted.

A check point is legal within 100 miles of the border.. if you don't like the law, work to change it.

He is a big baby.. IF there was nothing there.. he should have submitted to the authorities... That is the biblical path.

 

[Amy.G]

And there is nothing wrong with cutting in front of someone when we have the right of way - but what is the Godly response? If these men know that Mr. Anderson is a believer in Jesus Christ, what kind of testimony did he just give? For some reason, I do not see this sort of action promoted in Scripture. I see examples of Godly men that are completely different than what I just saw in this video.

What???? A citizen of the United States is "ungodly" if they expect their rights as given in the constitution?

Here is the 4th amendment:

Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure. Ratified 12/15/1791.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

LINK

This amendment is in place to protect the citizens of this country from unlawful search and seizure.

If you believe that God has blessed this country and in His sovereignty brought it into power, then you also must believe that He put these laws into our constitution to protect citizens from tyranny of government control. It is not ungodly to stand for your rights.

 

[Amy.G]

He is a big baby.. IF there was nothing there.. he should have submitted to the authorities... That is the biblical path.

Even if the authorities are outside of the legal limits?

If the police come to your church and demand that you burn all your Bibles will you comply?

 

[annsni]

What is outside the legal limits to have him roll down his window so they could communicate (remember, his windows are tinted so they cannot see inside really well) and to ask for his ID?

 

[Amy.G]

What is outside the legal limits to have him roll down his window so they could communicate (remember, his windows are tinted so they cannot see inside really well) and to ask for his ID?

He did roll down the window. He rolled it down enough to talk to the officers, but what law required him to roll it down all the way? If Mr. Anderson was doing something illegal, why did the officers let him go?

I think if this had happened to anyone other than Mr. Anderson, let's say TinyTim, whom you respect, you would have a totally different response.

If we don't stand for our constitutional rights, we WILL lose them.

 

[annsni]

He did roll down the window. He rolled it down enough to talk to the officers, but what law required him to roll it down all the way? If Mr. Anderson was doing something illegal, why did the officers let him go?

I think if this had happened to anyone other than Mr. Anderson, let's say TinyTim, whom you respect, you would have a totally different response.

If we don't stand for our constitutional rights, we WILL lose them.

If it were anyone else like TinyTim who I respect, I KNOW for a fact that they'd roll down the window, show their face and speak respectfully to them. It has nothing to do with it being Mr. Anderson - although it DOES show that he antagonized the patrol guards. It shows me a man who is not exhibiting any Godly characteristics to the world.

 

[annsni]

Oh - and if he rolled down the window, why couldn't we hear what the border control guards were saying? He opened it barely a crack.

 

[Amy.G]

Oh - and if he rolled down the window, why couldn't we hear what the border control guards were saying? He opened it barely a crack.

I could hear them.

I'll ask you again. Why did they let him go?

 

[webdog]

What???? A citizen of the United States is "ungodly" if they expect their rights as given in the constitution?

Here is the 4th amendment:

Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure. Ratified 12/15/1791.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

LINK

This amendment is in place to protect the citizens of this country from unlawful search and seizure.

If you believe that God has blessed this country and in His sovereignty brought it into power, then you also must believe that He put these laws into our constitution to protect citizens from tyranny of government control. It is not ungodly to stand for your rights.

I think that's in reference to unreasonable searches and seizures. With Mr. Anderson's behavior, I believe the cops were stating it wasn't unreasonable.

 

[webdog]

I could hear them.

I'll ask you again. Why did they let him go?

...because they didn't find what they were looking for. They would have let him go if he would have cooperated too, so that is not the issue.

 

[4His_glory]

This is really sad. Regardless if the police were right or wrong. This guy is a a "pastor" and should set a good testimony by submitting to authorities. If you search youtube, you will see he has a history of video taping police and harassing them. Honestly I think that he is addicted to attention. He needs prayer.