then you must agree with your fellow "Reformed" guy, Wayne Grudem, who says in his theology book
"In Spite of All of the Foregoing Statements, We Have to Come to the Point Where We Confess That We Do Not Understand How It Is That God Can Ordain That We Carry Out Evil Deeds and Yet Hold Us Accountable for Them and Not be Blamed Himself: We can affirm that all of these things are true, because Scripture teaches them. But Scripture does not tell us exactly how God brings this situation about or how it can be that God holds us accountable for what he ordains to come to pass. Here Scripture is silent, and we have to agree with Berkhof that ultimately “the problem of God’s relation to sin remains a mystery" (Systematic Theology, p.331. emphasis mine)
Which makes God to be UNJUST!
Paul and The Philosophers at Athens
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Apr 9, 2021.
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Your theology is weak and often just flat out error.
You remind me of Kipper and Tiger by the seaside....the tide of correct doctrine comes in, and you and your friends struggle to stay afloat.
Look on youtube....Kipper the dog, the seaside
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Could you get out of the cave without having a light?
While you can grope and seek for a way out, you will never get out on your own. You need someone to come and very specifically choose you as a person to save.
So it is that people grope in hope of finding God, but unless God chooses to save you, you will never get out alive.
Thus people seek yet only those chosen will be saved. These two ideas are not incompatible with each other. -
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You are like tiger at the 7 minute mark:Tongue -
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Sort of like doing a theological autopsy. patterns of error emerge.
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Just to be clear, which of the following statements do you disagree with?:
1. God knows everything that will happen before it happens. Do you agree or disagree?
2. God gave the Hebrew people the OT Law and demanded they keep it. Do you agree or disagree?
3. If the Hebrew people failed to keep even one aspect of the Law they were under God’s wrath for falling short and subject to God’s punishment. Do you agree or disagree?
4. Scripture tells us that not a single person was able to keep the OT Law perfectly (with the exception of our Lord Jesus Christ). Do you agree or disagree?
5: Since God knows everything before it happens and not one single person was able to keep the OT Law perfectly it is reasonable to conclude God knew no one would keep the OT Law perfectly when He gave the OT Law and demanded they keep it perfectly.
Apparently, you cannot make that final connection.
One reason you cannot understand it is because (according to your own statement) you view the commands of God as a “burden” He has placed on His creation.
I view His commands as a reflection of His perfect nature, which is why we are told to be “perfect” as He is “perfect”. The only way for that to happen is for us to be clothed in the righteousness of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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I would like to ask a couple questions.
1 John 3:8 he who is doing the sin, of the devil he is, because from the beginning the devil doth sin; for this was the Son of God manifested, that he may break up the works of the devil;
Are the, works of the devil, because of the sin of Adam and the death brought forth by that sin?
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Were sin, and death, brought forth by, sin, necessary, for the manifested Son of God, in the destruction of the devil and his works?
Hebrews 2:14 Seeing, then, the children (Of Adam) have partaken of flesh and blood, (Romans 8:3 for what the law was not able to do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, His own Son having sent in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, did condemn the sin in the flesh,) he (The Son of God) himself also in like manner did take part of the same, that through death he might destroy him having the power of death -- that is, the devil --
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Gen 1:26 KJV And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Gen 2:7 KJV and of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou dost not eat of it, for in the day of thine eating of it -- dying thou dost die.' Gen 2:17 YLT
Did God know exactly what he was doing? What do you think he was doing? Was he setting up, the great dragon, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan for destruction?
What was, the serpent, doing in the Garden God planted and then placed the man he had created/made, living soul? That is, soul of all flesh is in the blood Lev 17:11 That is. the life is in the flesh and blood. Flesh and blood that cannot inherit the kingdom of God.
Before God said Let there be light, the Son of God was going to be manifested as something of whose blood could be given as atonement. Why? Where was the great dragon, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan when God said, "Let there be light"?
What is the last enemy?
And Paul, having stood in the midst of the Areopagus, said, 'Men, Athenians, in all things I perceive you as over-religious; for passing through and contemplating your objects of worship, I found also an erection on which had been inscribed: To God -- unknown; whom, therefore -- not knowing -- ye do worship, this One I announce to you. Acts 17:22,23 YLT
And the rest of the chapter gets very interesting relative to this post in whole.
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"17 And as he was setting out on his journey, a man ran up and knelt before him and asked him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 18 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. 19 You know the commandments: ‘Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.’” 20 And he said to him, “Teacher, all these I have kept from my youth.” 21 And Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “You lack one thing: go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” 22 Disheartened by the saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions" (Mark)
God knew before He created the universe, that Adam and Eve would sin against Him, and ruin His perfect creation. God also knew that after humans sinned and He had to destroy them with the Great Flood, and after this time, they would again sin greatly against Him. Yet, He nonetheless created human beings, knowing that they would not walk with Him, and mainly no please Him, and that the greater majority would sadly end up in hell. By your reasoning, God failed!
Your reasoning that though God "Commands" that every human being were to "repent" for their salvation, that He did not really mean this, as He already knows that they cannot. This is making God into someone Who is not sincere in what He says, by making demands that we cannot keep. You are so far away from the Bible in your understanding on this, as you are on other things that we have discussed here.
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You believe the commandments of God are a “burden” He has placed upon us to prove ourselves worthy of the salvation we earn by those works.
You believe the Apostle Paul lied to us when he said by the works of the law no flesh is justified in the sight of God, and salvation is by God’s grace.
You believe at least some people were justified in God’s sight by their works and were given salvation because of their works.
You believe the death of Jesus was unnecessary and that Jesus lied to us when He stated no one comes to the Father but through Him because some earned their salvation by keeping the OT Law.
By your reasoning, God the Father sent Jesus to die unnecessarily because there is another way to salvation.
By your reasoning, God is a fool that killed His own son when it wasn’t necessary.
You truly have unbiblical beliefs concerning salvation by grace.
You should change your user name to:
SavedByWorks
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No doubt this is also the reason he has me on ignore.
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