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TP, it doesn't prove anything. People can always find someone or a website to tell them what they want to hear.

Something to think about: TP, wouldn't you think that the person speaking in tongues, as the Spirit of God gives the utterance, would know if they were faking it?

When I spoke for the first time, I know that it was not me because I wouldn't have known how to fake something that wonderful.

I know that as soon as this post goes in someone will start bashing and badgering, as usual, but who cares? They nailed Jesus to a cross...didn't make them right, did it?

MEE

 

TP, it doesn't prove anything. People can always find someone or a website to tell them what they want to hear.

Something to think about: TP, wouldn't you think that the person speaking in tongues, as the Spirit of God gives the utterance, would know if they were faking it?

When I spoke for the first time, I know that it was not me because I wouldn't have known how to fake something that wonderful.

I know that as soon as this post goes in someone will start bashing and badgering, as usual, but who cares? They nailed Jesus to a cross...didn't make them right, did it?

MEE </font>[/QUOTE]If you think of the purpose of tongues (the Biblical purpose), you will have no problem in discerning whether or not your speaking in tongues experience is of the flesh, the devil, or of God. I can tell you right now it is not of God.
However, let us go through the different questions?
1. When you speak in a tongue (which must be a known language to someone in your congregation, unknown to yourself, but known to others, so that others will be edified, what language are you speaking? In fact, Biblically you yourself would know immediately what language you are speaking. If you don't know the language you are speaking it is not of God.
2. If you don't know the words you are saying it is not of God. You could be praising Satan. Can you offer evidence to the contrary that you are not praisinng Satan.
3. Tongues (according to 1Cor.14:21,22--unless you have snipped those verses out of your Bible--are a sign given to the unbelieving Jew. Even if you believe they are still present for today you run into two problems:
a. Are there unbelieving Jews present in your meetings for that is the primary purpose of tongues.
b. Biblical tongues operated in this way. The person who spoke in tongues actually knew what they were saying. They spoke in a tongue unknown to their mother tongue, and unknown to them by natural means. It was given to them by supernatural means, but they did know what they were saying. They really didn't need an interpreter to understand. If the gift of tongues was given to a Gentile believer in Corinth who only knew Greek in order that he would speak fluent Italian (Latin), then he would understand the Latin he would be speaking. There would be no need for an interpreter. Why should there be. If God gave me the gift of tongues, why would I need to learn the language of the people that I go to as a missionary? But Paul insists on having an interpreter. I need an interpreter only when I am not fluent with the language, not when I am fluent with the foreign language. Something is not making sense. Do you follow my point here. A person with a knowledge of a foreign language (the gift of tongues does not need an interpreter.

Why then does Paul insist on interpretation, and put the restriction on the Corinthians that they could not speak in tongues in the Church without an interpreter. The obvious reason is that tongues were for a sign to the unbelieving Jew. The tongues (foreign languages) were interpreted back into Hebrew for the benefit of the Jews. By this sign they would know that the message was from God, and they had better listen and obey it. That is what the interpretation for--for the unbelieving Jew and for their benefit.

Some would object that the church at Corinth was a Gentile church. That is a false assumption. The church at Corinth had many believers in it with Gentile backgrounds but it also had many believers in it from Jewish backgrounds. Go back and read in Acts 18 the history of the Church in Corinth. He was in Corinth a year and a half. When he arrived in Corinth he went to the synagogue (the worship place of the Jews) and reasoned with them every day. Here is what verse four says:

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Notice that many Jews were persuaded. And this was at the beginning of his ministry. How many more were one to Christ it does not say. I would venture say to a great number more Jews were won to the Lord. One cannot assume it was "a gentile church." It wasn't. It had believers that had both Jewish and Gentile bacgrounds in it.

Tongues was a sign for the Jews. The interpretation of tongues was a sign for the Jews. Some object that Hebrew was no longer used. This also is a false assumption. When Hebrew was used it commanded great respect among the Jews, and they listened all the more.

Acts 21:40 And when he had given him licence, Paul stood on the stairs, and beckoned with the hand unto the people. And when there was made a great silence, he spake unto them in the Hebrew tongue, saying,
Acts 22:2 (And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,)

The Hebrew language they had respect for. The foreign language was the gift of tongues. The interpretation was back into Hebrew--a sign for the unbelieving Jews.

Now MEE, do you understand the language you speak in? If so which language do you speak in? Is it interpreted back into Hebrew for the unbelieving Jews that are present. Are their unbelieving Jews present? Do the women in your church keep silent in your church when speaking in tongues, another stipulation Paul set forth in 1Cor.34,35.
If your church (and yourself) do not keep all these stipulations when speaking in tongues your tongues is either of the flesh or of the devil. The latter is very possible. In any case it is not of God. It is a false doctrine.
DHK

 

TP, it doesn't prove anything. People can always find someone or a website to tell them what they want to hear.

Something to think about: TP, wouldn't you think that the person speaking in tongues, as the Spirit of God gives the utterance, would know if they were faking it?

When I spoke for the first time, I know that it was not me because I wouldn't have known how to fake something that wonderful.

I know that as soon as this post goes in someone will start bashing and badgering, as usual, but who cares? They nailed Jesus to a cross...didn't make them right, did it?

MEE </font>[/QUOTE]Saint Mee,
What is so "wonderful" about it? I find it disgusting, and no one is able to present a Scripture that could explain my reaction is wrong. The whole 'tongues'-issue is about feelings - NO MORE. It fools testing and that's why I, for one, just cannot accept it for genuine.

 

quoting Saint Mee,
QB, I know that as soon as this post goes in someone will start bashing and badgering, as usual, but who cares? They nailed Jesus to a cross...didn't make them right, did it? QE

You see what I mean with the glossalia thing? Now it is proven "right" - just as Jesus was - by the probability someone or many many more for certain will start bashing and badgering.

 

The conclusion I reach reading the chapters of Corinthians that deal with the tongues-issue is that Paul was at wit's end. Poor man! I'm glad I didn't have to deal with such holy subterfuge!

 

Pentecostal Man’s Glossolalia Echos NBA Rosters </font>[/QUOTE]</font>[/QUOTE]I don't really think its funny and neither would ya'll if I came in here making fun of Baptist doctrine....I know because when it does happen with others.. those people were kicked off the board. The sad thing is the man could have been a "MAN" and told the people... Hey Bro's, its not happening and politly left and gone to a Baptist church down the road or became a Catholic. whatever But to not be honest.......thats not funny and it just plain wrong. Shame, shame!


Music4Him

 

I am going to ask again, and hope this time on a straight answer:

How is it OK to mock someone else's way of worship? Would Jesus tell the joke that started this thread? Really???

Please, one of you anti-glossolalia Crusader-types, please address this question.

 

I'm out of here - your question has got nothing to do with the Scriptures

 

I'm out of here - your question has got nothing to do with the Scriptures </font>[/QUOTE]You're right, Gerhard, I am mistaken. Jesus never had anything to say regarding the way we treat one another, did He?

*head explodes*

Come on, now, someone give it a shot.

 

Get real TP! Baptists have their beliefs mocked all the time.
Some of their most basic beliefs are mocked: baptism and soul liberty.

Some of the things that many of you don't understand are mocked:
--the stand against the ecumenical movement
--dress standards.
--position on the local church
--Christ didn't use fermented wine.

I have heard a lot of mocking by many of you on these issues. Don't be such a hypocrite. Drop this crusade before your further posts begin to be deleted.
DHK

 

Would Jesus?
John 8:43-44 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Would Paul:
Acts 13:9-10 Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him,

10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

And Elijah:
1 Kings 18:27-28 And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.
28 And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them.

Elijah was not adverse to mocking false religions and/or cults.
DHK

 

This does not excuse mockery, DHK.

 

James 5:17 Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.

Elijah was no different than you or I. What did he do in Ahab's day? He mocked their religion. He made fools of the prophets Baal. Then he went one step further. He killed all 450 false prophets. He took harsh measures against both false doctrine, and the teachers thereof. Should we not do any less. I have no compassion for teachers of false doctrine--those that come and spread false teaching via the internet where all can read. False teaching needs to be exposed so all can understand how deadly it is.

The best thing that you can do at this point is write an email or pm to Grannygumbo and ask of the welfare of her son who got caught up in the Oneness Pentecostal Movement, and the spiritual havoc that it has wreaked on his life, sucking any and whatever light there may have once been there, making him an empty shell spiritually blind to the truth. Ask her of the condition of her son.

False teaching needs to be exposed and condemned in the harshest of terms.

2 John 1:9-11 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

If you invite a false teacher into your house, and then say good-bye to him (the equivalent of "God speed), you partake in his evil deeds. The Bible does not take lightly false teachers. I have already given you some verses on what Jesus and Paul said to false teachers. There are lots more. Let me know and I will post them for you. The reason this forum has existed is that false doctrine would be exposed. From the beginning it was called "The Other Religions" forum. Other religions would post their doctrines, which had to be refuted. That still happens. False doctrines are still refuted. They always will be.
DHK

 

So where, DHK, have I taken a position on oneness pentecostalism?

It's interesting you should mention Elijah. James had an interesting thing to say which referenced that prophet. This is the New International Version, James 5:17-20. I will be happy to post the KJV if you find it more to your preference:

Elijah was a man just like us. He prayed earnestly that it would not rain, and it did not rain on the land for three and a half years. Again he prayed, and the heavens gave rain, and the earth produced its crops. My brothers, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring him back, remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover over a multitude of sins.

This is not Old Testament times, and we do not go about murdering infidels in the Christian church. What part, DHK, does open mockery play in the gentle correction of brothers and sisters in error?

 

Mockery of non-Christian, pseudo-Christian, anti-Christian worship is not frowned upon.

 

I know some are faking it because some have left the cult and admitted that they faked it. Others in the cult have admitted to me personally that they "start" their speaking in tongues by making the same certain sounds and then "off it goes" - proving it is of the flesh, and not of a spirit. If they were not faking it, they would not need to "start it." Plus, the constant repeated sounds of certain tongues-speakers shows they are faking it. No further sources are needed.

 

So, Gentile infidels, false teachers, and heretics are your brothers and sisters? Maybe--according to John 8:44 they could be--unless you give testimony otherwise.
DHK

 

I know some are faking it because some have left the cult and admitted that they faked it. Others in the cult have admitted to me personally that they "start" their speaking in tongues by making the same certain sounds and then "off it goes" - proving it is of the flesh, and not of a spirit. If they were not faking it, they would not need to "start it." Plus, the constant repeated sounds of certain tongues-speakers shows they are faking it. No further sources are needed. </font>[/QUOTE]So what percentage of Pentecostals are "in the flesh" when speaking in tongues?

 

So, Gentile infidels, false teachers, and heretics are your brothers and sisters? Maybe--according to John 8:44 they could be--unless you give testimony otherwise.
DHK </font>[/QUOTE]The passage you quote has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. You should limit your posts to the stated subject, as you have threatened me with deletion when my posts do not.

To the point: my responsibility as a Christian is to speak the truth in love, and gently correct those in error. If, in wanting to show the love of Jesus Christ to someone in error, I become their friend, or am accuseed of being a brother to them, so be it. Their eternal salvation is worth far more than your opinion of me, or anyone else's.

There is no evidence of love or gentle correction in the "joke" that started this thread, and the only defense of it I have read so far ignores rational, Biblical mandates for interacting not only with fellow Christians, but with mankind at large.

Now, I am still waiting on you to point out where I have stated a postition on either glossolalia, tongues, and/or oneness pentecostalism. Lacking that, I expect an apology, as I have said to you and the administrators, in PM, repeatedly.

 

Read every post that you have made in pages 5,6, and 7. Show one post that is edifying. Show one post where you are not questioning what someone has said. Why are badgering people? You talk about speaking "speaking the truth in love and gently correcting those in error." You have done none of that. Every post you have made is a question, a needless question, a badgering question, sometimes an insulting question. If anyone owes aplologies you owe apologies to different ones on this board for your behaviour. You have not taken a position on anything but to attack and question. You have quoted no Scripture. IMO, you act as a troll. Is that your goal? A troll?
DHK