Vooks,
Curious as to why you are here arguing against eternal security in Christ and have a signature at the bottom of you page promoting OSAS.
Perseverance of Saints is.....actually it is Eternal INsecurity
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by vooks, Aug 4, 2015.
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The 3 and 5 point Calvinist - cannot even know that because he/she will retro-revoke even today's assurance if it turns out that 10 years from today they fail to persevere.
Not a fault with the Bible definition of perseverance of the saints - just a problem with the man-made additions to it.
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Calvinism of any form is sheer lunacy -
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So keeping your faith takes no effort then..... -
Briefly and quickly, is faith in God a work? -
1Jo5:4 "For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith."
Are you born of God? If so, it is finished. You overcome..... -
Reading the Bible we find that Christ said "if you Love Me KEEP My commandments" John 14:15 which includes "thou shalt not kill" as even James admits in James 2.
Christ said that to be at war against the commandments of God - is to invalidate worship itself.
Mark 7
6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”
So it is "surprising" to me that you would argue that Arminians think that rebellion against God is the way to heaven. -
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Faith is what appropriates the merit of Calvary. Faith is what keeps you, losing your faith is losing everything received by faith. And this is why there are dozens of warnings against losing your faith as well as keeping it.
2 Peter 1:10 (KJV)
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall
Why the need to make my calling and election sure if it is immovable? -
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But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:"
So you do these things because you are afraid you could stop believing in Jesus Christ?
I have a hard time understanding those who live in fear of losing their salvation. I have been born-again since 1973, that is 42 years, and never once did my spirit ever stop believing on Jesus Christ. It's an odd concept to me that some who declare they are Christians have this fear that they could somehow stop believing if they do not tow the line in some way.
Talk about one having eternal insecurity........not me.
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