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Politics slamming hydroxychloroquine in studies now drawing some contempt of the data they used

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Scott Downey, Jun 4, 2020.

  1. Scott Downey

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    in a study that said it was a dangerous killer.
    Top journals raise concerns about data in two studies related to Covid-19

    It is a serious problem regarding medical research if medicines that can make a difference are attacked beause Trump suggested trying it. They are many of them then corrupt, vile, wicked and may have caused needless suffering and death.
    But maybe that is their hidden goal anyway. You do realize the whole world is under the sway (influence) of the wicked one, just as Apostle John so says.

    1 John 5:19
    We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.

    This is something the wolrd is not neccesarily aware of and also some believers just dont believe this.
     
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    The Democrats rejected the use of this medicine for political reasons. The Labor Unions followed suit.

    It was French specialist Dr. Didier Raoult, the world's leading expert on infectious diseases, who gave this successful treatment to the world. The French approved this medicine before we Americans did. Dr. Raoult deserves international acclaim for his hard work.
     
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    So true, & they still vote for satan's platforms!!
    Kinda makes one wonder the TRUE state of their "beliefs".
     
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    WHO is in the hands of Xi Jinping and Tedros, a communist from Eritrea. WHO wanted the world to buy medicine from Red China. The French foiled that plan.
     
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    If you are interested in what the data concern was, both studies used some data from a database called Surgisphere. It was noted that Surgispheres data had deaths in Australia listed as higher than the official death count. On review, they had an Asian hospital incorrectly categorized as Australian. This was corrected and affected the regional totals in their data but not the overall findings. There was also a table that was misinterpreted as raw data when it wasn't, which led to confusion that has been clarified.

    Response to Widespread Reaction to Recent Lancet Article on Hydroxychloroquine

     
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    The FDA was not the first to authorize this treatment. They followed suit.

    The USA did not buy China's lies about their biological weapon.
     
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    Surgisphere cites violating client agreements and patient confidentiality as reasons they could not complete the audit.

    www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/lancet-retracts-surgispheres-study-on-hydroxychloroquine-67613/amp

     
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    There are plenty of other papers about Hydroxychloroquine/Chloroquine that don’t use Surgisphere data. However they are still retrospective studies that don’t show significant effect and no actual randomized control trials.

    I’m also not aware of any evidence that it has preventative effect, even anecdotally. But if the president wants to experiment on himself and he has a doctor willing to take those risks on his patient, go for it.
     
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    Why don't you discuss the fact that the Governor of New York took it also. The reason was to prove that it was harmless in the amounts that they took.
     
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    People taking hydroxychloroquine as prophylaxis are doing so experimentally as there is no evidence at this time that it is effective as prophylaxis. There are some studies currently underway looking into this effect so we shall see. And as always, there is a risk of prolonged QT which leads to cardiac arrest.

    Treatment With Hydroxychloroquine or Azithromycin for COVID-19 - American College of Cardiology
     
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    Interestingly, a randomized control trial was just published a few days ago about the prophylactic effect of hydroxychloroquine after exposure to a known case. Unfortunately there was no significant difference between the infection rate for the hydroxy group and placebo group.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2016638

    One note is that lack of test availability meant that most of the covid19 diagnoses were clinical diagnoses based on symptoms rather than actual pcr testing.
     
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    I don't know that there was ever a motive published as for the reason(s) that anyone took hydroxychloroquine but if you know of such a motive having been stated by someone, let me know.
     
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    Taking a drug as prophylaxis means to take a medication to avoid getting a disease. This is in contrast to taking a drug as treatment when you already have a disease.
     
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    There is yet to be any evidence of a political motivation. It looks more like straight up fraud from a company promising something it couldn’t deliver and making up data. The researchers foolishly trusted the company.


    The COVID-19 Pandemic: Did a Scam Company Provide Faulty Data that Lead to a Change in Coronavirus Policies?
     
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    Yes, but I don't think that anyone ever said why Cuomo or Trump took the drug. Perhaps this is the work of Dr. Fauci. The failure of the American CDC is akin to the failure of the America FEMA during the Katrina. I don't blame Dr. Fauci personally because he had to obey Obama and he did, but I think that the CDC should be folded into a sub-department of the Surgeon General and Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx should be encouraged to retire because of their being on the payroll of Bill Gates, the American Eugenicist and main contributor to the London Galton Institute, taking up where the Germans left off.
     
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    Once again I can’t follow your tangential ideas.

    Fauci is head of NIAID which is not part of the CDC. I am not sure what he has to do with Trump and Cuomo taking hydroxycholoroquine. And the rest of your post might as well be in another language.
     
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    You keep insisting that Cuomo and Trump took the hydroxychloroquine as a prophylaxis but you have no evidence to back up that assertion.
     
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