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Polynesian Rosary Beads

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  1. rockytopva

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    I had bought the black pacific pearls from a vendor in Nuka Hiva, French Polynesia for around $20. The pearls were great but the necklace rope itself was of poor quality and eventually broke. I bought a Catholic, "Gunmetal Military Rosary - WWI Service Combat Rosary" on EBay and had a local jeweler recreate the necklace. Turned out real nice! I am real pleased!

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    Very unique and beautiful. Those gun-metal WWI military rosaries are very collectible as well. I doubt you will have a problem with it breaking again.
     
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    Amazing!
     
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    Rosary beads are just a personal idol, & the rosary itself is a mindless, repetitive chant JESUS forbade in Matthew 6:7 “And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words.
     
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    I think those beads in the picture are beautiful.

    I have my grandfather's rosary beads. He was a Catholic, albeit a non-practicing one, and was saved when my dad was about 12. He, as they say, "got the full load" when he was saved.

    To my knowledge, he never used the rosary beads when he was a Catholic. Never went to mass, didn't pray. He just wasn't saved, period.

    I wear his beads sometimes as a necklace - not often, but sometimes. They are beautiful as an art piece and not an idol, to me.
     
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    Agree, I have my Italian grandmother (fraternal) beads.Very Sentimental.
    I bought her a Catholic Douay Rheims Bible, once she found out it had the imprimatur of the pope she read it as best she could quite often. My maternal grandmother was Jewish so no beads.
     
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    Waaaaahhhh!!!

    A MEANINGLESS Repetition.

    The entire bible......is a rosary.


    You think those pagan letters of the Anglo-Saxon alphabet don't mean anything?

    Your last post is completely idolatry by your own standard.


    If we took your bible and handed it to the apostles they would question.....what are all these pagan and cryptic runes?

    They would stand no chance to read it. You use a alphabet. Each little runic drawing hyroglyph represents a sound.

    So you project the THOUGHT of a sound on an object. In other languages you might get a whole phrase in one character

    A Chinese alphabet you looking at 100,000 characters.

    With the rosary, direct bible passages, prayers, are written out in BEADS.
     
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    MMRRPP ! WRONG !

    While rosary beads may be things of beauty & of sentimental value to some, as objects of worship or as prayer assistants, they're mere idols.

    The Buddhists do the very same things with their prayar beads !
     
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    You would have a problem with blind people who read the bible via braille on the same obtuse principle.


    I'm a Buddhist too. They use the garland or any beads to keep count of breathes or mantras.

    I haven't met anyone who worships beads. :rolleyes:
     
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    Idols? At no less than the flagship Southern Baptist seminary, student pastors have been counseled to begin using a knotted prayer cord!

    SBTS • Dreher recommends Benedictine way of life

    from transcript:

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    Q: "You mentioned that churches should be oases of stillness. What are some practical ways that you think that we can cultivate that in our churches?"

    A: "...Look to other traditions and see how they do it....Catholics have what they call Eucharistic Adoration, they believe that Christ is really present in the bread, and sometimes in their parishes they'll have people come in just very quietly and sit there with the Eucharist exposed on the Altar and just pray quietly....in the Orthodox Church we do have things like the Prayer Discipline I was telling you about. Just very quietly praying 'Lord Jesus Christ Son of God have mercy on me a sinner.'....Contemplative Prayer. The Benedictines have a wonderful tradition called Lectio Divina...things like that. Look back in the history of, the long history of Christian Devotions, devotional practices, and find some things that work."

    "The Jesus Prayer, I think that's something any evangelical Christian could do...it goes back to the Desert Fathers of the Early Church....look it up online, these Prayer Ropes are knotted by monks, they're called chotki, C-H-O-T-K-I, you can find them online, it's just a great discipline....I'll just very quietly just say my Prayer Rope, 'Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on me' sometimes a shortened form, and it's a way to get into a really meditative state of mind."

    "The monks in Norcia...when I got ready to leave there after my last trip over there, one of the monks pulls his Prayer Rope out of his cassock and says 'Keep praying that thing.' He had the same kind that I did, 'Keep praying that thing,' I said 'I will, Brother.' It's one Devotion that can bring all Christians together."
     
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    Prayer rope (Chotki) - Wikipedia

    "Historically, the prayer rope would typically have 100 knots, although...There is typically....a few beads at certain intervals between the knots (usually every 10 or 25 knots) for ease in counting....the prayer rope becomes a very practical tool...for keeping count of the prayers said"

    "Longer prayer ropes frequently have a tassel at the end of the cross; its purpose is to dry the tears shed due to heartfelt compunction for one's sins."
     
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    It can become another idol.

    Why should anyone keep count of prayers said? We can't say too many of them ! (I'm not a SB, but an indie fundy one.)
     
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    Not to worry roby I never used my grandmother's beads to pray the rosary, neither did I give them any other value except as a family heirloom.
     
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    Buddhists & RCs share some practices besides the aforementioned prayer beads:

    "Saints" created by MEN.
    Some sects (called "orders" by the RCC) believe in poverty, or at least austerity.
    Both believe in meditation.
    Both have a supreme earthly leader. For Buddhists, it's now H. H. Dorje Chang Buddha III from China. Like the RC pope, he received his title from other men.

    Siddhartha Gautama, the original Buddha, could not possibly have heard of God, as he was born & lived in what's now India, C. 563-C.483 BC. He traveled the areas now known as Pakistan, Kashmir, & neighboring states as well as much of the Indian peninsula. There were no known missionaries there til well after Jesus had come & gone. But he knew right from wrong, and acts such as murder, theft, rape, imposition of slavery, etc. were wrong to him. So, the RC picked up some practices from the older Buddhist religion.
     
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    Thanx, but I'd guessed as much, as you're a FORMER RC. I have an old crucifix given to me by an RC friend when we were boys, & neither of us had worshipped it.
     
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    Thanks and Good :)
     
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    Somewhere in my undisciplined scholastic adventures I read of a connection of Judaism and Hindu/Buddhism. Small but definite based upon Hindu/Buddhist artifacts of gold circa the first century (I think) in Israel. The artifacts would have been forbidden by the Torah.

    JoJ?
     
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    Saw a Baptist pastor kneeling in front of a chair with a bible on it. Saddened me to see him worshipping that chair and bible.
     
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    Matthew 6:7 “And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words.
    We are not heard because of our many words but because of long hard words in faith. We are heard because of our faith.
    Gentile means (non believer -heathen) .He is referring to nonbelievers not believers who are to do LONG hard prayers. This is what I mean jezebel you have not the Holy Spirit therefore can not understand the language of scripture. The meaningless, repetitious prayer of the non believer is one of those works outside of faith. The many words of the Rosary are scriptural and you can never do too much of repeating those and is a long hard prayer in faith.

    Ephesians 6:18
    18 In the same way, prayer is essential in this ongoing warfare. (Pray hard and long). Pray for your brothers and sisters. Keep your eyes open. Keep each other's spirits up so that no one falls behind or drops out.

    The scriptures can not be BROKEN . I am correct because I do not contradict either scriptural verses . I keep the scriptures one as God is one. Context is important to understand. And God is the interpreter and author of His Word.

    The Rosary is a long hard prayer in which we ask all of heaven to pray for us, beginning with the profession of faith. The word (universal) in that, simply means all of the universal consensus 'I believe in the Holy Spirit ONE Holy (universal) Apostolic Church-The Church established by Christ through His apostles. And all who believe in that are all of one universal belief: affecting, or done by all people or things in the world or in a particular group; applicable to all cases.
    So this universal consensus is applicable in all cases of believers of our particular group.

    Which is upholding the teachings of Jesus Christ. That ,(should) span across denominational lines. It is simply all agreeing upon the Profession of faith in Christ. It is that Hard Long prayer that helps brothers and sisters . There is NOT one thing in it that is not true. And is not the meaningless =(faithless prayer of the gentiles). When you become a believer you are Hebrew= Traversed One. That is what Hebrew means. You come from one side of things (river) to the other side . You leave behind you former life as Abraham did. You are circumcised in heart, spirit and mind. You are no longer a gentile. Gentile simply means Non-believer and heathen. The Holy Spirit has blessed me in understanding origin and meaning of words. That is why there is no Greek, Jew, male and female but simply The Spirit of Christ and all are Hebrew in Him= Traversed Ones in Him.

    So clearly, the Rosary is not one of those MEANINGLESS prayers , but a LONG HARD prayer, which is meant to fight long and hard against satan.
     
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    As I said I am of the universal consensus that Christ is the ONLY way , Truth and Life. I stand on the Orthodoxy of His word handed down to us through His predestined , elect of the First and original Tree. I only protest against Lies and falsehoods.
     
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