I believe the gospel, but I don't believe TULIP.
Does that mean I'm not saved?
Preparing a truthful Calvinist sermon
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by steaver, Jan 13, 2015.
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For instance, thats what Paul means in 1 Tim 2:4
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Being saved here is about coming into the Knowledge of the Truth !
Its the same here 2 Thess 2:13
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Salvation here is belief of the Truth by the Sanctifying Work of the Spirit !
One more, when Paul spake these words to Timothy 1 Tim 4:16
Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
Again, saved here is Doctrinal Salvation from the errors of the evil one, nothing to do with their Salvation from the Penalty of sin, Christ's Death alone accomplished that, however the saved ones must also be saved out of error and lies of the devil, so that they believe the Truth as it is in Christ Jesus !
Prov 11:9
An hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbour: but through knowledge shall the just be delivered.
John Gill comments on this verse the following :
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2. And the paradigm/story/system/model for "How a person is saved" is in fact a description of the "Gospel" is it not?
So how is it you can believe the Gospel but not TULIP? -
In what "detail" do you differ with SBM and why?
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Many times Calvinists solve the same problem by "leaving the conversation" with a generous amount of acrimony and vitriol added at times. Why not try to at least solve it? Improve on SBM's solution if you can do that without being Arminian. -
I do not believe one has to agree with TULIP to be my Brother or Sister...I think he does? Not for sure on that, though... -
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So then SBM believes that God is not trying to "seek and save the lost" because God has already saved, sanctified, perfected, justified all the special-select "Few" of Matt 7 at the cross -- dying for them only. Caring for them only.
And you (Convicted) are saying that the same texts that SBM uses for that (as in Heb 10:10-14) show something else -- right? If so -- how so (in your view of Calvinism's explanation) ? -
giving it a :thumbs:. Do you really know what you believe?? -
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God seeks and saves sinners. He doesn't seek and try to save them. God gives them the gifts of faith, repentance which causes them to seek Him... -
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SBM has confirmed my OP is spot on. Icon has by default confirmed my OP sermon is spot on bc he cannot point to any dishonest part in it. So yeah, you guys keep saying I don't understand but then keep on confirming my points.
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