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  1. Silverhair

    Silverhair Well-Known Member

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    What is required is that Christ was raised on the third day and we have that information already.
    1Co 15:4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,
     
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    But the Bible does NOT require us to know the exact date. It is what you desire, not what the Bible requires or asks of us.

    I do not know why you are troubled bybtge fact we cannot know the actual date as a fact because this was a problem to the Jews as well (they added feast days to cover the problem in rekoning exact dates after the exile).

    And it makes room for mistakes.

    For example, you are referencing a Biblical calendar not used by the Jews for centuries before Christ was born.


    As to actual historical dates, Tiberius didn't reign until 19 August 14 AD. This means Jesus was baptized in 29 AD and - by your counting - died the next year.

    So you limit Jesus' ministry to about a year.
     
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    John's account has three mentioned Passovers.
    In the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, the earliest Passover would be 28 A.D. for a 30 A.D. crucifixion. So a ministry of less than 2 and half years. But Sir Isaac Newton counted in the fifteenth year at 29 A.D.. So the earliest Friday crucifixion he proposed was Julian date April 3, 33 A.D..
     
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    How long do you think Christ's ministry lasted (if you have a firm idea then the year could be easily estimated - 28 to 29AD was when Jesus woukd have been baptized so we add the time to that).

    30 AD would be too early for the Crucifixion date (IMHO) as Christ would have been baptized in 29 AD.
     
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    ...it drives folks like you nuts...
     
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    Romans 2:1, Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
     
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    We disagree. In the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar being between September 27 A.D. to September 28 A.D.. September 14 A.D. counted as year one to be in the the second year. So Jesus' ministry began after September 27 A.D.. And that would include His baptism.
     
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    That's what I mean by the date prescribing a year....ish.
     
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    Not me. I like speculating but we cannot know the exact date (they didn't use the "Biblical calendar or the lunisolar calendar in the 1st century).

    But it's fun to think about.

    I think most can agree Christ died on a passover before a Sabbath that was also a high day. More importantly He rose on Sunday.
     
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    Julian date April 7, 30 A.D. Friday

    Julian date April 3, 33 A.D. Friday

    Julian date April 5, 30 A.D. Wednesday

    Julian date April 6, 30 A.D. Thursday
     
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    Are you claiming that if we don’t know the exact date of the crucifixion then the truth of the restriction becomes null and void?

    peace to you
     
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    Not at all.
    We have the New Testament documents.
    We as genuine Christians have the internal witness of the Holy Spirit by whom we actually know God.

    The three fold evidence of the resurrection of Christ
     
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    CHRONOLOGY OF THE CRUCIFIXION WEEK
    The Chronology of the Crucifixion Week by Wayne Carver

     
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    The problem is the predictability of how the sun and moon work. Can you image if the eclipse had happened on Sunday or Tuesday?

    No one can trust that a computer can calculate the moon phases all the way back to the beginning of time. Even on the online calendar, I use, there is a disclaimer that Jews do not trust the exact times the moon has already been new or full, nor the days the Passover is supposed to have happened in the first century.

    So in a sense, not even the Jews accept a computer to tell them dates before a certain point in time.
     
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    Actually we celebrate his death not resurrection.
     
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    Why?

    Traditionally Christians celebrated His resurrection. This is why they gathered on Sunday.

    I think it is because Paul stated that our hope is in His resurrection. If our faith is in His death then it is worthless (actually, Paul says we are to be pitied).

    Now that I think about it, you have a point. I can see that many have a faith grounded in Christ's death rather than His resurrection.

    But that ain't me. I contemplate His death and celebrate His resurrection.
     
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    The Sunday resurrection date that has long been held, Julian date, April 9, 30 A.D. In more recent times, the date being Julian date April 5, 33 A.D.
     
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    Yep. But that was based on using a Western calendar. It was reasoned that 3 days and nights could only be a Wed. crucifixion with Thur, Friday and Saturday being full days and nights.

    30 AD does not work if you believe the most commonly accepted timeline for Jesus earthly ministry (about 3 years).

    Jesus' baptism woud have been in late 28 AD or 29 AD.
    A 30 AD date provides for a year 7 month ministry at most (if Jesus was baptized mid-September 28 AD).

    To get any more time you have to monkey with timekeeping (mixing western and Jewish).

    Also, a major flaw with this dating is a reliance on a lunisolar calendar (which hadn't been used for centuries by the time Christ was born).
     
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    The Lunar cycle and the end of and start of each Jewish months along with their 19 years cycle to add a month per their leap years.

    Calendar Converter

    You believe what you want.

    Mark 14:12.
    Mark 14:17.
    Mark 15:42.

    The Jewish days begin with their sunset. The night precedes the day.
    So I firmly understand Mark 15:42 to be Thursday evening, not Friday.
     
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