Prove it.

…and exactly how do you know that "his heart was not right with God" during his ministry? Hindsight is 20/20 Amy…you can’t make that determination after the fact, if so, how do you know your heart is truly “right with God”?

In XC
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Jude 1:5-6 (King James Version)

5I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


Do you really believe God gives countless warnings to believers so we can keep our gold crowns? The warnings are very clear, Gods demands our obedience to prove that which we claim to believe.

 

When a young child prays to God would you say that they believe they are talking to God? Why is Jude wasting his time writing to the lost? The entire N.T. is written to the church. The lost are lost, that is cut and dry.



Matthew 24:48-51 (King James Version)

48But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

What? So this minister, who very likely fed the hungry, clothed the naked, visited the sick and infirm wasn't "saved" during his 30 plus years as a minister, b/c the parable tells you that?

So you're saying that if this minister died during the prime of his ministry, he would've been lost and damed to hell?

Be careful Amy...the slope is slippery

In XC
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Thank you, therefore, no one really knows until the end of the race. Just as St. Paul says…we must finish the race, endure until the end and each of us are to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling.

In XC
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1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
1Pe 1:4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
1Pe 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.


The word kept in v.5 is the greek word phroureo and it means to set up watch in advance, or to mount a guard, or to hem in protection. Our salvation is protected by God in advance of something happening to it.

Of course Jesus had given this picture much earlier:

Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Jesus said they shall never perish. Peter wrote that our salvation was incorruptible, cannot be defiled, and can never just fade out by means of loss of faith in any manner.

 

For one to be saved all you must do is believe in the name of Christ. That is how salvation starts. I used to think Santa was real once upon a time also. Not everyone who ever prayed believing God was the Savior will continue in that faith. This lack of understanding has lead many to become dispensationalists, a very dangerous doctrine to be sure.

 

Mark 13:13 quotes Jesus as saying:

And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.​

Look again at the second half of that sentence. Jesus is saying that to be saved you must endure (for Him) until you die. Conversely Christ is therefore saying that those who do not endure will not be saved! Notice that I am not quoting Paul or any other Apostle or Disciple, but the Son of God Himself.

There is no, OSAS theology with this passage whatsoever. I mean, why would a "saved" individual have to edure, when they're saved past, present and future?

In XC
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Since I am dismissed, can I still watch? So far it's going pretty much as I suspected. Maybe I'm a prophet???? Probably not.

I've seen a lot of scriptures being thrown at both sides. Some redifinition of words from both sides (I think) and a couple of post getting very close to name calling.

You are correct that one can not prove that one can forfiet there salvation. Here are some verses that come pretty close;

I know those who believe OSAS will explain them away. But remember although one can not prove that one can lose salvation, neither can one prove that one can not.

PS I know you wouldn't call me names, but I also know that others would.

 

And those who do not or did not endure were never saved to begin with.