If you click on this link (you may have to wait for the ad to disappear):
http://italianfood.about.com/od/italylivingvisiting/ig/Italian-Foods/How-They-Used-To-Do-It.htm
you will see an ancient olive press. This is what is referred to as 'hand pressed' olives -- it is operated by (a very strong) hand and not electricity. It has nothing to do with hand squeezing olives.
So when the verse speaks of 'gathering' oil, it is referring to that which makes the oil, as Tim's translation correctly pointed out.
Now, I won't identify who sent me the following PM, but the information in it is interesting:
this nonsense on that wine thread where these people are saying that our Lord drank grape juice is such rubbish ... I was given some grapes a few years ago and proceeded to make juice from them, as I was putting them through the juicer the yeast on them was reacting with the natural sugar in the fruit and the skins (waste ) was fermenting. It was warm in the kitchen at the time. Fruit with the yeast on it will ferment almost at once. I fear these people do not know a lot about what they are talking about, and I agree with you on this. They don`t realise that yeast+sugar+ warmth = alcohol...... pretty quickly.
Grape harvesting time is a warm time of year. Unlike getting oil from olives, it may be very possible to get 'new wine' right out in the field, by the end of the day. The fermentation process does start immediately.
Nor should fermentation be confused with rot or corruption. It is neither.
Yes, a Christian can drink wine or eat meat without being a drunk or a glutton. There is a time and a place for both.
If you want something that is bad for you, go snack on a double cheeseburger, fries, and that milkshake. That does FAR more harm to your body than a glass of wine with a steak dinner.
Proverbs 23:31
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by His Blood Spoke My Name, Aug 26, 2006.
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So you are now saying it did take a press to extract oil.
WHat happened to cheese cloth an poles.
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While it's one thing to disagree about non essentials (this being one of them), I would hope that this can be a lesson to all that because two brothers don't see eye to eye on non essential matters, Romans 14 tells us we are to respect each other, and not force our own personal convictions onto someone else. -
It also says they can press them with a hand jack too Helen.
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we have always been that way Web.
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They took a hand jack like press to each tree along with a container. Picked some olives, pitted and washed the olives then pressed the oil out into a container then pulled the hand jack and the container to another tree and repeted.
Would you do it that way or would you pick all of the olives and take them to one place where your press and containers were. Have a table set up to pit the olives on and a container of water to wash the olives and press them ALL at one time. -
Corn in Hebrew = 1715 dagan daw-gawn' from 1711; properly, increase, i.e. grain:--corn ((floor)), wheat.
Now, laugh Deejay; it don't look good on you but go ahead anyway and Tim did intentionally mislead us as to the diffinition of the word "corn". -
DeeJay; You are the one who better be thinking for you are questioning God, not me.
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What? of course it can, here:
Deuteronomy 11:14
(14) That I will give [you] the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil.
But God said,
ונתתי מטר־ארצכם בעתו יורה ומלקושׁ ואספת דגנך ותירשׁך ויצהרך
and in that verse, dagan is translated as corn......just like in most of the OT, but it can be also wheat.
I fail to see your point.
but I am tired so I might not be thinking straight.
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Bedtime have a good night all maybe we get a better start tomorrow.
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And since you can not argue the issue at hand with out calling others unbelievers and accusing others of making fun of God. Since that is the only hand hold you can achieve on the issue. I am going to bow out.
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Bob, you were the one that said that they gathered oil by:
"I could place a bucket up to the olive tree and squeeze the
oil out if I wanted to and who is to say that is not how they
did it."
You also said that the definition I gave was in Greek.
I am not trying to make you look bad... I am merely trying to point out that the definition for "corn" can also mean wheat... BTW, you are right, it is not the "corn" we think of today, which is actually maize.
And since wheat was taken out of the fields to process it, the olives would have been too.
And the grapes...
That is just good common sense.
God is right... Obviously!
His word is right... obviously!
He said they brought corn, oil, and wine out of the fields....
I agree too.
but we are disagreeing on the way they brought it out.....
I say they brought it out in the olives and grapes, you say they brought it out after they processed it.
BTW, why does it matter?
I'm going to bed... gotta get up early.
I still love you even if we disagree on this..
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Deuteronomy, chapter 11
13: And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love
the LORD your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul,
14: That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in
thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil.
Remember, this is God speaking and not me. You wan't to say it is something else go right ahead. -
But the acusation is the only thing you have in an argument. It is hurtfull from somebody who is suposeto be a brother. I consider you a brother even though I doubt that you consider me one. Well nothing I can do about that but it is sad.
I come here to this board because I have very few Christian friends. Day to day I run into few to none Christians. So I come here so Brother bob and digen can accuse and judge. SO you can feel better then somebody. I have not accused you of being an unbeliever I just think you are wrong on a minor issue. You have several times accused me of being an unbeliever and of mocking Gods word. YOU are wrong.
Your self-rigoutousness is your alcohol and you are drunk out of your mind on it. -
I say Gods word is perfict.
I say your understanding of Gods word is wrong. -
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