What's more James...if I had any prior conserns with these types of individuals this has just confirmed my deepest darkest thoughts. All and all, I must thank them for revealing themselves...this little conversation has made them quite transparent to me & for that I am grateful. :laugh:
Pub Night Fellowship
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Earth Wind and Fire, Jan 24, 2014.
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Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Honestly, I think many from the other side of the issue don't really comprehend our take on the liberty issue, and they don't understand moderation and self control. It seems they think we advocate drunkenness and living it up with the world, when the issue is really over where a couple of believers can go relax and have a beer or two.
God speed, brother, and have a glass for me.
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
The issue was not christian liberty
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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EWF's initial post was dealing with meeting with some European friends at a pub for good fellowship. And, he stated in that post that he's not closing his eyes to the fact that liquor being served could be a problem.
His request for thoughts was not about drinking, or drunks, or bring drawn to a bar to get smashed, he was asking for thoughts about having Christian fellowship in a pub.
The thread straightaway started to denigrate into a drink vs. no drink debate, which is NOT what EWF was asking about.
He later said:
It had nothing to do with a desire for drunkenness. Then you come along with:
You even added:
But, it really looked like you two were ironing it out until you came back with:
Why the need to apologize to him, if you weren't casting that stone at him?
My only involvement was that I saw a wounded brother being hurled with stones. I felt compelled to kneel down and bandage a would he'd suffered at the hands of a Pharisee.
When I first mentioned stuffed shirts, it wasn't directed at anyone on this board:
"Them" was the people here, advocating that he go "fellowship" or whatever with the stuffed shirts he's dissatisfied with. Two different groups.
Maybe you need to go back through this thread and see where I used each word and phrase. I wasn't calling anyone here a stuffed shirt. You only became a stuffed shirt when you displayed your reactionary attitude and uber conservative Fundamentalist approach. And your insinuations that EWF is looking to go get drunk drove me refer to you a pompous jerk.
You're the only one in this thread who threw insinuations out about his motives.
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FriendofSpurgeon Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Wow --- sad this has gotten so offtrack.
We went to a super bowl party this past weekend held by friends -- primarily attended by lots of people from their church. Water, lemonade, sodas and beer were served, along with loads of great food. Some of the guys even smoked cigars and pipes (we were outside).
Of course, everyone got drunk and started cursing, and there was a lot of pole dancing going on, after which we started questioning everyone's Christian walk and whether they were truly saved after all ...
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About a week and a half ago, I took my 7 year old son to a hockey game. Lo and behold, I found out they were serving beer. Yikes, what were we to do? Well, we indulged a little....
popcorn, a pretzel, hot dogs, cotton candy, and Pepsi.
This past Saturday night, the men's group at our previous church had a fellowship night, at this same arena, to watch a hockey game.
It's an annual thing, and my son and I went with them last year. There were a few there who drink a little, but they refrained because they didn't want to offend the ones who think it's wrong for Christians to drink.
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Earth, Wind & Fire
Why yes, your analogy about stuffing tracks into Woman's gstrings was pure class. Suddenly we are no longer at a family friendly pub where I bring my wife and son for a dinner but a trucker bar strip club with pole dancers... right!:laugh:Click to expand...
And let me just say that church doesn't do it for me regarding fellowship......
Ive tried many times but I am not comfortable making friends there....
B]its too pious, too rigid too stodgy[/B]
& maybe it should be (more for worship, prayer & quite time with the lord).
When I go out for a meal & a brew with others, I can let my guard down just a bit, enjoy some time away from it all, relax & even have some laughs. Cant see myself ever doing that in a church environment.
WHY NOT?????
I like the clanging of beer bottles & a nice Guinness with my meal. Then Im much more apt to be myself, chat & have conversation.
WHY IS THAT???
As I said...it is a choice you make. I personally like a beer now and again but the mrs's cant drink alcohol because of her addiction to it...still we both would prefer to have fellowship at nice corner pubs vs stuffy churches. Its a choice w/o judgment.Click to expand...
LOOKS LIKE A CHOICE WITH A LOT OF JUDGEMENT....
What is next;
Crack house fellowship
Weed fellowship
Casino fellowship
If you were just speaking about christian liberty and going out for a meal no one would have an issue with it.
The Op starts with this;
Ya know, to me the term "Fellowship" is an over used term in our churches today. Im going to a church where they often serve food after the service & Ive gone to churches where they do a lunch service each week. I dont see how food is the social lubricant & personally, if I was stimulated by it, would it not be considered border line gluttony?Click to expand...
As I said before, its your choice & nobody's twisting your arm. Others like the environment (as I certainly do) and prefer it to a church basement & potlucks which personally I cant stand. Noodle salads & casseroles are hard to endure from my prospective.Click to expand... -
Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known MemberSite SupporterIconoclast said: ↑Earth, Wind & Fire
Well let's see...you found that to be in poor taste and I would agree with that.In fact it was deliberately absurd:laugh: I thought this was also absurd-
LOOKS LIKE A CHOICE WITH A LOT OF JUDGEMENT....
What is next;
Crack house fellowship
Weed fellowship
Casino fellowship
If you were just speaking about christian liberty and going out for a meal no one would have an issue with it.
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Iconoclast said: ↑Earth, Wind & Fire
Well let's see...you found that to be in poor taste and I would agree with that.In fact it was deliberately absurd:laugh: I thought this was also absurd-
LOOKS LIKE A CHOICE WITH A LOT OF JUDGEMENT....
What is next;
Crack house fellowship
Weed fellowship
Casino fellowship
If you were just speaking about christian liberty and going out for a meal no one would have an issue with it.
The Op starts with this;Click to expand...
Yes, again we see preaching against sins we do not commit is the fad and those that do so are to be maligned all the while preaching against the sins we DO commit is to be considered taboo. -
Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known MemberSite Supporterpreacher4truth said: ↑Ahhh, but see a church that serves food is to be ridiculed and called gluttonous, yet a church that serves beer or attends pubs should never be labelled drunkards!!!!
Yes, again we see preaching against sins we do not commit is the fad and those that do so are to be maligned all the while preaching against the sins we DO commit is to be considered taboo.Click to expand... -
Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite SupporterEarth said: ↑Keep it going....your on a roll....rofl ! where are ya playing next....ha ha ha.....ohhhhhhhh...haaaaaaaClick to expand...
I knew you would like that:wavey:
While i do defend your right to Christian liberty......I am concerned that you do not have a healthy view of the CHURCH.
Does the church have some problems...yes.Nevertheless....we are to go to work to help and serve others.....stop finding as much fault....stuffy christians, over-paid pastors, one doctrine out of place, sunday school, members classes,everyone can find weakness....look to help.
you have problems with tuna noodle casserole? okay...drink tea,coffee...stuff a piece of bread in your face and help a new believer with some scripture, rejoice with those who rejoice, weep with those who weep...
stuffy Christians in the fellowship.....speak face to face with them....iron sharpens iron.....
I have never gone into any trucker strip club by the way...nothing in there for me....I have never taken my family to any "family friendly pub's"...I do not even know of any such thing....
Do I speak with all manner of sinners....every time I can.
It does not have to be in a "pub"....coffee shops,diners, just being out in public works very well......the idea that I have to hear beer bottles clanging together to be myself....escapes me.
You asked in the OP....any thoughts?...here are some:thumbsup: -
preacher4truth said: ↑Ahhh, but see a church that serves food is to be ridiculed and called gluttonous, yet a church that serves beer or attends pubs should never be labelled drunkards!!!!
Yes, again we see preaching against sins we do not commit is the fad and those that do so are to be maligned all the while preaching against the sins we DO commit is to be considered taboo.Click to expand...
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Iconoclast said: ↑Hello EWF
I knew you would like that:wavey:
While i do defend your right to Christian liberty......I am concerned that you do not have a healthy view of the CHURCH.
Does the church have some problems...yes.Nevertheless....we are to go to work to help and serve others.....stop finding as much fault....stuffy christians, over-paid pastors, one doctrine out of place, sunday school, members classes,everyone can find weakness....look to help.
you have problems with tuna noodle casserole? okay...drink tea,coffee...stuff a piece of bread in your face and help a new believer with some scripture, rejoice with those who rejoice, weep with those who weep...
stuffy Christians in the fellowship.....speak face to face with them....iron sharpens iron.....
I have never gone into any trucker strip club by the way...nothing in there for me....I have never taken my family to any "family friendly pub's"...I do not even know of any such thing....
Do I speak with all manner of sinners....every time I can.
It does not have to be in a "pub"....coffee shops,diners, just being out in public works very well......the idea that I have to hear beer bottles clanging together to be myself....escapes me.
You asked in the OP....any thoughts?...here are some :thumbsup:Click to expand...
I like this post. Much more reasoned approach to the issue than some others.
Blessings to you, brother -
Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known MemberSite SupporterIconoclast said: ↑Hello EWF
I knew you would like that:wavey:
While i do defend your right to Christian liberty......I am concerned that you do not have a healthy view of the CHURCH.
Does the church have some problems...yes.Nevertheless....we are to go to work to help and serve others.....stop finding as much fault....stuffy christians, over-paid pastors, one doctrine out of place, sunday school, members classes,everyone can find weakness....look to help.
you have problems with tuna noodle casserole? okay...drink tea,coffee...stuff a piece of bread in your face and help a new believer with some scripture, rejoice with those who rejoice, weep with those who weep...
stuffy Christians in the fellowship.....speak face to face with them....iron sharpens iron.....
I have never gone into any trucker strip club by the way...nothing in there for me....I have never taken my family to any "family friendly pub's"...I do not even know of any such thing....
Do I speak with all manner of sinners....every time I can.
It does not have to be in a "pub"....coffee shops,diners, just being out in public works very well......the idea that I have to hear beer bottles clanging together to be myself....escapes me.
You asked in the OP....any thoughts?...here are some:thumbsup:Click to expand...
And thank you for not going into the same places I go into. Ha ha ha Ohhhhhhh dear Lord, thank you thank you thank you.:laugh: :godisgood: -
Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known MemberSite SupporterJamesL said: ↑I like this post. Much more reasoned approach to the issue than some others.
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Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known MemberSite SupporterJamesL said: ↑Preacher4fantasyClick to expand...
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite SupporterJamesL said: ↑I like this post. Much more reasoned approach to the issue than some others.
Blessings to you, brotherClick to expand...
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