Pushing your beliefs on others

Cognitive dissonance.

 

Could you be a little more specific?


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The tensions inherent in Calvinism. It's logically deterministic, but in order not to behave as such, cognitive dissonance comes into play.

 

Not sure I have run across any Calvinists willing to admit that their view of Election is contrary in any way. Most seem comfortable with how it usually taught.


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Complain to God. :)

 

Our friend does no believe in an innerrant/infallible Bible, so h would havesome problems in tryingto hget an understanding on these doctrines due to that!

 

that is because our views on election agree with the bible take!

 

Most of what is bashed here is really attacking Hyper Calvinism, not the real one !

 

The primary disagreement would be in regards to whether there are people who, despite any evangelical effort, will not be saved. But if we look at it, as one said earlier, from the eternal perspective, it is really a given to agree with "Only the Elect will be saved," because there is no other option. We already know that those who are not saved are not part of the Elect, and if they die in that state they never will be.

I do not particularly take the view that there are those who have no chance whatsoever of being saved, but that salvation is an opportunity given to all. In the eternal perspective, yes, they were destined to eternal separation, but, not because God made that decision, but because they rejected the means of salvation made available to them (despite the Age).


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Classic calvinism agrees with you tha the offer of eternal life is given to all sinners, and the elect will respond by faith, and the rest stay in their sins by willfully rejected Jesus to save them...

 

Thinking that there's no other option is what leads to the greatest misunderstanding of the issue.

Election doesn't relate to who is redeemed, or who finds faith in Christ. Election relates to the end.

Of those who come to faith in Christ, who are those who mature? The fourth soil in the parable... The sons of God and joint heirs with Christ.

That's who the elect are. Not every believer will qualify. Not every believer will win the prize.

By thinking that elect is synonymous with saved from hell and going to heaven, you diminish the need for endurance and maturity.

 

But classic Calvinism also believes in limited atonement. They have the offer but not the real ability?

 

Whosoever wills can come to Jesus to get savd, but non on their own will er choose to do tha!

 

You're talking in circles. Did Jesus die for a person who dies without faith?

 

No, Jesus died for the sake of those who will place faith in Him!

 

So the "offer" is given to a person for whom there is actually no provision, knowing that he doesn't have the ability to accept it anyway.

That's a sham "offer."

 

No, the offer isreal, as the sinner chooses by his on will to freely rejct theoffer!

 

How can there be a legitimate offer when there is no provision?

I can't offer you a bagel that isn't there.

An offer of salvation to someone isn't an offer if there is no atonement provision for it.

 

God set it up for salvation of sinners in this manner, and His ways are perfect and just, correct?

 

Way to duck the question! You are assuming the truth of your claim.

What about the possibility that the offer isn't really there?

I know that's more associated with hyper-Calvinism, but it's a lot more consistent.