In my response to Iconoclast I mentioned that sin has consequences. Romans 1 gives the consequences.
Although believers would like to consider themselves above such consequences, the consequences remain in effect.
Therefore the need of John 1.
Some have the thinking that sin is non-existent in a believer as a result of the work of the blood, but this is error.
"The soul that sins will surely die." All die.
The cleansing of unrighteousness would result in a healing. This principle is also part of James' teaching,
What happens if they are unsuccessful? Does not the person physically continue to suffer or even the body ceases to be viable?13Is any one of you suffering? He should pray. Is anyone cheerful? He should sing praises. 14Is any one of you sick? He should call the elders of the church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord.15And the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick. The Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven.
For the unbeliever, there is the judgment of whether their name is written or not and eternal condemnation follows.
For the believer, there is the judgment of Christ as to that done for Him, but no condemnation is upon their eternity.
Question concerning sin.
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by agedman, Jan 15, 2022.
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The idea all sins, past present, future; of all people; are already forgiven doesn’t seem to be supported by scripture, thus the instruction by John to confess your sin and God will faithfully forgive you.
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First reference, Exodus 32:32-33.
Second reference, Psalms 69:27-28 is commonly identified as the book of life in Revelation. NASB so translates and cross references. -
We have a right relationship with God through faith in Christ. We have indwelling Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth. Our relationship, through Christ, cannot be undone (can’t lose salvation) God disciplines those He lives.
However, all sins past, present , future already forgiven? Past sins, certainly forgiven at salvation.
But if present sins are already forgiven, why would they grieve God Holy Spirit? Why does scripture tell us to confess our sin to God and He is faithful to forgive our sin?
Is there any scripture that supports the doctrine that sin sin, past, present, future are already forgiven for anyone, much less all of humanity?
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Scripture tells us all of humanity starts lost and God brings His chosen to salvation.
You are reading a false doctrine into those passages.
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I know that some believers consider they abide in this promise, but that doesn't have foundational true abode when taking into consideration the letters of John and Paul and their expressions concerning the believer's living and sinful character.
There is no condemnation, but there is certainly a remembering of sin when it comes to service and character in the earthly estate. -
I see this as justified in full when saved -
Your thoughts per your question relative to the following thoughts?
On the 14th day of the first month the Lamb of God, Jesus died for our sins, thus our Passover was sacrificed for us, thus:
as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: from 1 Cor 5:7 last part
V 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
keep the feast of unleavened bread, seven days, 15th a holy convocation to 21 st a holy convocation. All your life through confession.
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. -
When my children were young, I would forgive them for a breach, but that did not remove the consequences of the behavior.
When one is redeemed, the breach between God and that person is bridged by belief. However, just because such a bridge is made that cannot be unmade, does not mean that the traffic on the bridge can not be hindered.
A right relationship between God and Man resolves to Man following the commandments of God, especially the two great commandments. "The one having My commandments and keeping them, he is the one loving Me. Now the one loving Me will be loved by My Father. And I will love him, and will show Myself to him." -
Ok, I’ll try.
If you believe all children, infants etc go to heaven when they die it is not because they don’t have sin, but because God chose them for salvation and made it happen.
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Then there is our standing before God through Christ. Romans 4:15, 1 John 3:4-6 where we are counted as sinless not being under the Law, Romans 6:14, ". . . For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. . . ." 1 John 3:6, ". . . Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. . . ." This is a legel standing in Christ, 1 John 3:4, Romans 4:15. Galatians 3:10-13. Colossians 2:13-17. Etc. -
1 John 5:4-5, ". . . For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? . . ."
The new birth so are name never gets removed, Revelation 3:5, ". . . He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. . . ." -
IF you view is the right one, why even send out the good news, for if all already in a saved state, why risk them rejecting the message and thus getting lost? -
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