Question for KJVOs"like me" can we translate from.....

[azguitarist]

P.S C4K let no man despise thy "youth" thats in the bible too.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Nope - just saying it ought to be fun to see you correct Pastor Bob.

 

[azguitarist]

Will do if he still holds to this example...

 

[mcgyver]

Although not idiomatic, Pastor Bob's English/Spanish/English translation is correct......Now add some regional dialects and cultural bias and see what happens!

Want an eye-opener? Take the Mexican spanish spoken in Az. (which I speak) and talk to the Cubans here in SW Florida...You'll think they're speaking another language.

 

[azguitarist]

Hey! hey! we now have another one to prove wrong, lets see how many agree this is a correct translation!!1

 

[azguitarist]

by the way, castillian spanish is under stood by all spanish speakers...and to say they i will think they are speaking another language is crazy since they use the same or very much the same spanish bible...

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I assume you are going to sort them out with the same clarity you pointed out which KJV is perfectly perfect and is the basis for valid translation?

 

[mcgyver]

I simply said not idiomatic.....perhaps I should have said word for word it is correct (Literal Translation).........I am assuming that this is an illustration of the problems encountered translating when using a source other than the originals. If I am mistaken,please excuse me.

 

[azguitarist]

sort them as in?

 

[azguitarist]

yes you are mistaken, and i will prove it if pastor bob will say he is going to hold to this example,

 

[mcgyver]

I'm game...
Go ahead and offer proof.....If you're correct I'll admit it.
Just make sure (please) that I understand your premise.

 

[azguitarist]

good, lets wait for pastor bob.....

 

[azguitarist]

if you read back up you will see that i believe translation can be done perfectly,and i will prove that using one of the sentences.this mis translation was not correct from english to spanish first of all, therefore we must start there. then go to the next step.

 

[HankD]

OK let's try it:
Someone who knows English and Spanish translate this from the KJV into Spanish and then give the Spanish to some else who speaks Spanish and English and have them translate it back into English and see what we get.

KJV 1 Chronicles 26
12 Among these were the divisions of the porters, even among the chief men, having wards one against another, to minister in the house of the LORD.
13 And they cast lots, as well the small as the great, according to the house of their fathers, for every gate.
14 And the lot eastward fell to Shelemiah. Then for Zechariah his son, a wise counsellor, they cast lots; and his lot came out northward.
15 To Obededom southward; and to his sons the house of Asuppim.
16 To Shuppim and Hosah the lot came forth westward, with the gate Shallecheth, by the causeway of the going up, ward against ward.
17 Eastward were six Levites, northward four a day, southward four a day, and toward Asuppim two and two.
18 At Parbar westward, four at the causeway, and two at Parbar.
19 These are the divisions of the porters among the sons of Kore, and among the sons of Merari.


HankD

 

[azguitarist]

Ps hankd this has already been done in the mc vey new testament translation,and it reads the same.the mc vey has come thru one revision and needs little help to finish rendering Gods words in Spanish.i will quote it if needed....

 

[mcgyver]

Sounds like a fair test to me....Anybody know someone who is neutral in our debate who can translate this passage?

 

[azguitarist]

read my last post...

 

[mcgyver]

You type faster than I....

 

[azguitarist]

my Father took some verses over to mexico to a spanish teacher,and he translated the spanish Mc vey back into english unknowing of the issue of the kjv,he is a lost man....

 

[azguitarist]

and it read exzackaly the same...shall i post some of the verses?
PS STILL WAITING FOR PASTOR BOB.