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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by utilyan, Feb 13, 2021.

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  1. atpollard

    atpollard Well-Known Member

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    I don’t think you have really thought through the implications of your two comments together.


    So God COULD have created people capable of living sinless, but God chose not to create people capable of living sinless ... I guess that you just proved that God WANTED Adam and Eve (and all of us) to sin. [Romans 9:19]
     
    #21 atpollard, Feb 15, 2021
  2. utilyan

    utilyan Well-Known Member
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    You can stop sinning now and forever. Why you won't has nothing to do with a broke brain or heart. When I sin its absolutely my fault, not God's nor is it God's desire for anyone to sin.

    God has not neglected to give you everything you need to stop sinning.

    1 Corinthians 10

    13No temptation has overtaken you except something common to mankind; and God is faithful, so He will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will provide the way of escape also, so that you will be able to endure it.

    There is no temptation that can tempt you beyond you are able, that means there is no irresistible temptation that can force you into sin. God always provides an escape for you to endure it.
     
    #22 utilyan, Feb 15, 2021
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    atpollard Well-Known Member

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    You have already stated:
    DID God create people (us) capable of living a sinless life?

    (Actions speak louder than words.)
     
    #23 atpollard, Feb 16, 2021
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    Of course he doesn't, IF it were a matter of programming a robot. But it's not.
     
    #24 George Antonios, Feb 16, 2021
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    You are capable so long there is a God. If God ceases to exist so would you.

    "Actions speak louder than words."

    Why do you keep sinning? When I sin Its MY FAULT, I want to sin.

    When I sin, I don't say its GOD's fault for not making for not giving me capacity, It's God's fault because he didn't choose me, It's God's fault because he doesn't love me, Its God's fault for not making me divine.

    Not being sinless was my choice every time God provided a perfect escape it was SOLEY my choice and my option to sin, WILLFULLY.



    Blaming God for one's own mistakes is the Calvinist ideal. You are proving it. Because you say you can't when the truth is you WON'T. There is a fine line between Can't and Won't.
     
    #25 utilyan, Feb 16, 2021
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    (I could not follow your answer, was it yes or no).

    DID God create people (us) capable of living a sinless life?
     
    #26 atpollard, Feb 16, 2021
  7. utilyan

    utilyan Well-Known Member
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    YES.

    Yes of course.



    You ever sinned against God because it was unavoidable?

    ^same as your question. YES OR NO.
     
    #27 utilyan, Feb 16, 2021
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    YES.
     
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    So when God says he always gives you an escape to avoid it, that was just a joke or a lie?
     
    #29 utilyan, Feb 18, 2021
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    NO.
     
    #30 atpollard, Feb 18, 2021
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    Someone explained to me it was the old man in us that "makes" us be that way.
    Like a Romans 7 type of life when the Romans 8 one is available.
    Do you have a clear teaching on that?
     
    #31 SGO, Feb 18, 2021
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