Questioning the Motives and Accountability of the GOP Establishment

[church mouse guy]

I believe Trump was well aware early on how the "system" worked is why he was threatening early on a third party split "if they the GOP Establishment wasn't fair to him". The people throwing around this rhetoric that he doesn't even understand the "system" seem to be "conveniently" forget this point. The problem is the power the GOP has to manipulate "their system" to serve themselves rather than the people.

Maybe Trump knew and chose not to act but why, then, would a state party be obliged to kowtow to Trump who never showed up? Should the GOP have given Iowa to Trump just to be fair?

 

[church mouse guy]

Agreed, and Trump is not the ideal candidate for me by any means but he is the one drawing attention to the "crooked system" and holding the match to light a fire toward a movement to burn down their fort.

Over the top. Trump should have made a deal--that's how politics work. The state parties decide how their delegate system works. For example, in Indiana the delegates will be bound for one ballot and then are all Kasich people on any ensuing ballots.

 

[church mouse guy]

I'm wondering where you got this idea that political parties are supposed to serve the public?

The GOP runs a fairly clean process. It is the Democrat Party that reserved the superdelegates to overrule their public. Trump is a whiner. Maybe he should join the Dems so that he can go to the bathroom wherever he wants.

 

[Benjamin]

The GOP runs a fairly clean process.

...

Trump is a whiner.

HMM, the GOP “insiders” “cleanly” fight to the death to have their “own people” chosen as delegates to the convention saying it doesn’t matter, that YOU won the primary or caucus and therefore the actual delegates are bound by law to VOTE FOR YOU anyway.

BUT, and this is a BIG BUT, what if Trump does not win the first ballot (due to all the manipulations by the GOPE to siphon off delegates) and there is a second ballot? They will vote their REAL choice and YOU (the people) will have lost all those states you thought YOU have won during the primaries.

I guess this GOP Establishment’s takeover of YOUR choice is “clean enough” by some people’s standards here, BUT I and many others think its overdue time to take OUR clothes out the wash and inspect what we’re supposed to wearing, no questions asked, more closely.

I suppose we're all just whiners? Yup, well, I guess we'll see what kind of luck the GOP Establishment and those repeating this kind of rhetoric, for various reasons, have with that message...

 

[InTheLight]

HMM, the GOP “insiders” “cleanly” fight to the death to have their “own people” chosen as delegates to the convention saying it doesn’t matter, that YOU won the primary or caucus and therefore the actual delegates are bound by law to VOTE FOR YOU anyway.

<Sigh> Yes, it is called politics. This is how the game has been played for generations. It's nothing new.

BUT, and this is a BIG BUT, what if Trump does not win the first ballot (due to all the manipulations by the GOPE to siphon off delegates) and there is a second ballot?

There are no manipulations that the GOP can perform to siphon off delegates for the first ballot voting. 95% of delegates are bound to vote for the candidate that won the majority of the votes in either their state (for winner take all states) or their congressional districts (in proportional voting states.) In almost all states IT'S REQUIRED that delegates are bound.

They will vote their REAL choice and YOU (the people) will have lost all those states you thought YOU have won during the primaries.

Possibly. If it happens it means that the candidate that has delegates defecting is perceived by the party to not be a very good candidate. This is the prerogative of the party. It is their organization and they can do as they please.

I guess this GOP Establishment’s takeover of YOUR choice is “clean enough” by some people’s standards here, BUT I and many others think its overdue time to take OUR clothes out the wash and inspect what we’re supposed to wearing, no questions asked, more closely.

You don't have much of a say in the selection of the presidential candidate unless you are a party delegate. The primary system is mostly a beauty contest. The caucuses use the term "straw poll" and "preference poll" for a reason.

I suppose we're all just whiners?

Ding, ding, ding ding. Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

 

[Benjamin]

<Sigh> Yes, it is called politics. This is how the game has been played for generations. It's nothing new.



There are no manipulations that the GOP can perform to siphon off delegates for the first ballot voting. 95% of delegates are bound to vote for the candidate that won the majority of the votes in either their state (for winner take all states) or their congressional districts (in proportional voting states.) In almost all states IT'S REQUIRED that delegates are bound.



Possibly. If it happens it means that the candidate that has delegates defecting is perceived by the party to not be a very good candidate. This is the prerogative of the party. It is their organization and they can do as they please.



You don't have much of a say in the selection of the presidential candidate unless you are a party delegate. The primary system is mostly a beauty contest. The caucuses use the term "straw poll" and "preference poll" for a reason.



Ding, ding, ding ding. Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

IOWs that's the way it's always been done, or maybe better (honestly) said, has evolved into, ...so it must be fair. Therefore, we are all just whiners.

Hmm, let me think about this logic of yours and get back to you.

 

[InTheLight]

IOWs that's the way it's always been done, or maybe better (honestly) said, has evolved into,

Actually, the primary voting process is what the system has evolved into. Years ago the selection process was done exclusively by the parties with no public voting whatsoever.

...so it must be fair. Therefore, we are all just whiners.

Hmm, let me think about this logic of yours and get back to you.

Yes, and while you are at it, find the part where I said this selection process was fair.

 

[Benjamin]

Actually, the primary voting process is what the system has evolved into.

So we are told and therefore go through the process of showing up at the poles. Too bad in truth its merely rigged.

Yes, and while you are at it, find the part where I said this selection process was fair.

So then you admit the process Trump has been saying is unfair is in fact, true.

Coool!!

This is better than I had hoped!

P.S. could have sworn you liked Church Mouse Guy's post just above where he said the process was fairly clean...hmm, guess you don't think its fair, just fairly clean. I'll have to think about that one too...

 

[church mouse guy]

One of the problems that Trump has is that he has won more delegates than he has won percentage of the votes. Secondly, no one has shown that the Iowa caucus, for example, is crooked. Thirdly, the people paying for the party should have some say in the delegates. Trump is not much of a Republican and it shows when he whines about the party that he thinks should vote for him or else there might be riots according to Trump.

The only reason for this false accusation by Trump against the GOP is that he cannot debate on the real issues because he still has a lot of Democrat thinking about the issues. Therefore, he has to complain about the process. Maybe he should just go back to owning and operating a go-go joint.