Questions we’re not suppose to ask

Hello robycop3

You said........

First of all, the “W&H stuff”, that I have been sharing, comes from me:
And what I have leaned about them.
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But what your talking about it the “Guilt-by-association arguments and the KJV”

See this link: It is very interesting.....

http://www.biblefortoday.org/Articles/guilt.htm

 

Hi Steven2006

You said.........

Now this is a perfect example, of misquoting someone!

 

Hi C4K

You asked.......
“And you have not told us how you know this.”

The Bible tells me so........

1 Corinthians 1:1-2
V.1 ¶ Paul, called [to be] an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes [our] brother,
V.2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called [to be] saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

Galatians 1:1-2
V.1 ¶ Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
V.2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:

Ephesians 1:1
“Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:”

etc. etc.

 

Hello preachinjesus

Always nice to respond to you.

You said.......

You might be right; Although what I have learned about them so far, makes me doubtful that they had anything to contribute.
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Next you said......

As I have seen it, the issues of this post, is God’s preservation of His Word.
There are those, who choose to accept the “very popular” idea, that we have to somehow “find”, the original autographs again, by way of textual criticism.
(I have already pointed out to them that God would not have allowed His Word to “get lost”
And they quickly came back, saying that is isn’t really lost.
Well if is isn’t lost, than why the need for any kind of textual criticism.

There has not really been a misunderstanding of textual criticism on my partAt least I hope not
What there has be is a rejection of textual criticism.
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You also pointed out.......

I don’t see this as an “unfortunate trait”, but rather a dogged stubbornness, to keep the discussion on track.
The real issue here, isn’t the accuracy(or lack thereof), of the Modern versions, as much as it is a hatred and rejection of the KJV.

Remember those questions that started this thread: They are at the heart of this thread.

Those questions are the issue: And they were asked because........
“If the majority ideas today, about the KJV are true, then every committed Christian that worshiped God prior to 1881, was a moron.”
Because they had placed their complete trust in a Bible that was full of errors.

Now most people want to avoid these questions, because if those Saints that fully trusted the manuscripts the gave us the KJV weren’t morons, than everyone today that isn’t KJVO, is.

Praise the Lord, I am not afraid to be called, anti-intellectual: Most of my friends in the ministry are, but I’m not.
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Then you asked.........

No I couldn’t. I am not following the same path that you are.
As I have said, I have no interest in searching for the lost New Testament.

As for the list of men you gave me: (My plate is full, trying to point people back to the Bible
By identifying the two men who, you could say opened the door, for Von Soden and Nestle-Aland.
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You asked......

We are.
As you can see, I am a simple man; I love the LORD and His Word.

As for my study material, I stick with the 66 books.
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Next you said.........

I don’t recall questioning their salvation: (I simply called them heretics.)
As for my slander, of these “humble servants of the the most High God”, I will have to face my LORD for where I am taking a stand.
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Next you stated.......

Sounds like a pritty nice guy to me. Can’t wait to meet him in heaven.

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And........

Sounds kind of like, what is happening to me, here on the BB.
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Burgon is sounding more and more like me:
If indeed he said.........

This sounds eerily close, to one of my original questions?!?!
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Next is the argument, that I have been waiting for.......

This idea is what inspired the sideburn story.
Thinking that somehow we need to make the Bible somehow better, has only opened the door to those who want to discredit it.

The Bible’s sideburns are perfect.
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Next........

Now I truly doubt that Burgon ever said this: But if he did, he was off point.
The point is, that “God providentially protected the copying of His Word”.

The idea that an older mss would be better, is logical, for anything but the Bible:
Because the small changes that would normally take place over multiple copies, does not apply to Holy writ, because it’s Holy. (God protected it.)
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Next.....

Here is another trap. Older is not “always” better.
(Even though men are waxing worse and worse

If pressed, I would choose the “traditional” as the best.
(Not having anything to do with tradition, but everything to do with what God has already blessed.
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And about Jack Chick.........

Sounds like the charges against me.

As some others have already said, lets save Jack, for another thread.
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Lastly you said........

What you call “thorough”, most will call “long winded”!

 

Hello Steven2006

You said........

I appreciate the “due respect”, but it’s not a cop out;
Simply because of the real danger, that I see, in exposing myself to the writings of those who profess to be smarter than God.

I just don’t trust myself(my own judgement), that much, to open myself up to those who have expressed a hatred for the Bible.

I place the Bible, above every man’s opinion......
Proverbs 19:21
“[There are] many devices in a man’s heart; nevertheless the counsel of the LORD, that shall stand.”
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You also said........

Cults, are not the only tool Satan uses, to destroy men’s lives.
As I have said before, if Satan can cause Christians to doubt the perfection of the Bible, than he will be robbing people of it’s power.

And the number of Christians using MV’s is irrelevant:
Just because the majority believes something, does not make it right.

I can’t express, just how much I appreciate everyone here(on both sides), taking the time to discuss this subject with me.

Even though my “faith” in the KJV remains strong, I am learning so much from this experience.
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And lastly you said........

It may seem like that I am simply “parroting” what others have said, but I assure you I am not.
I am reading what others say, and adding it into my understanding of the subject, and then responding.

What seems to be the main question here, is “who do you believe”:
(Both sides seem to be educated, well intentioned people, but they are taking diametrically opposing positions!)

I will have to default to the Bible in this case........
1 John 4:1 ¶
"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."

 

Hi franklinmonroe

You said........

I am very sorry for that. I will try to be more careful in the future.
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Next you said........

You are absolutely right. (Scattered manuscripts is not the same as having a Bible.)
I apologize.

It is obvious that Committed Christians, from the very beginning studied the Bible;
But the question is, what did they study..........
Acts 17:11
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”

They most likely studied the LXX, but how quickly did they realize, that some of the letters that they were receiving from the Apostles, were to also be considered Scripture.

We may not ever learn this: But how does that apply to the issue of this thread?
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Lastly you said........

You know I did. And it is amazing, the great things that God’s people have been able to do(even in recent history), with only parts of the Bible.

But the fact is, I have the entire Bible now: So I believe that I will be judged or blessed by the LORD, based upon that.

To whom much is given, much is expected.

 

Hello mcdirector


You said.......

I sure wish that I had stayed away from the word “expert”:
“expert” (A person with a high degree of skill in or knowledge of a certain subject

There are few things that I have a high degree of skill or knowledge in, and W&H, isn’t one of them.
(But didn’t I say, that “I was becoming” an expert?)
It has to start somewhere.

As for “reading their words”, being required to become an expert. (You may be right.)
So I guess I will give up, trying to become an expert on them.
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Next you said.......

You make a very good point.
And praise the LORD, I think that I have gotten the message.

I believe, that I will pull back in my attack upon W&H, until I have checked out the quotes that I have read that they have made.

Thank you for your clear cut and cordial response.

 

Hello menageriekeeper

You said.....

The reason I may have overlooked you previous post, is because of the tone of your questions: (Remember you catch more flies with honey, than with vinegar.)
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Your first question..........

No, I am not saying that: God has preserved His Word(for English speaking people), in the KJV.
Now don’t get me wrong: All those MV’s are the Word of God; But the KJV, has been protected from the changes that evil men and seducers, have made.
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Next you asked.......

Was God incapable of keeping Adam and Eve from partaking of the tree of knowledge and evil? Yes He was.

But He didn’t because we have a free will:
Today, each of us have a free will, to use the tried and true KJV, or to take a chance, with those MV’s.

Yes, it is taking a chance: Because if even a fraction, of what I have found out about W&H, turns out to be true, than for sure, the MV’s have been corrupted.
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You also asked......

God hasn’t been stopped. At worst, an entire generation of Christians have been lied to.
But the LORD and His Word, is still going strong.
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Finally you said......

When you put quotes around this, did you reread it?
The 400 year reference, must be talking about the KJV.

So you are asking, “Am I proposing that God gave us preserved His words 400 years ago?”
YES I AM.

 

Hi preachinjesus

You said......

Thank you for the heads up.

I have already gotten that message, and have retracted that claim.


Thanks for keeping me honest, and no you were not overtly callous.