Rant: Closing a thread? Attention admin.

[windcatcher]

Closing a thread is not censoring a poster..... it IS censoring that thread.

Regarding attacks on Crisis Pregnancy Centers.... i spent most of yesterday calling several in my area, both inquiring regarding their services before revealing the intent of my call and informed each one of what may be the seeds of attack springing up. None of them tried to deceive me regarding the questions I asked:
Q. Do you offer abortion counseling?
Ans: Are you wanting an abortion or have you had an abortion? We offer couseling to women who have had an abortion. Are you pregnant?
Q. (I hedge) Ummmm..... Ah...... I was just wondering what kind of help you offer a woman who is pregnant?
Ans: You seem hesitant... This is confidential. Are you asking for yourself or another? um... We don't do abortions. But we do offer pregnancy test, screening, and can referr you or the person to a group of specialist who volunteer and can do an ultrasound at no charge to show the development of the baby. And, should you decide to keep the baby, we offer classes and counseling and can help with baby supplies? How can we help you?
(The answers weren't identical, but generally the same. Two stated up front that they were a Christian based ministry which offered pregnancy counseling and help for women wanting to have their baby. But that didn't mean a woman had to be a Christian nor had to become one to receive their help.)

Then I explained the story of finding this article regarding the Baltimore City Council and my thread start on this board. Each one I called had not heard about this development but agreed that this looks like it could be the start of an attack against the centers which might spread. They were grateful for the information and I was even referred to a doctor's practice to pass him the message as he is active in the Prolife save a child movement.... and likes to keep informed of developments such as this.

To the members on this board active or interested in the pro-life cause... make sure your local centers are informed if you're aware of similar developments.


FYI, when each call was answered, I stated up front that if they were busy at that moment I would call back or I could give them my number for a call back when they weren't so busy. As it turned out each one took my call.

 

[Marcia]

Someone (maybe you) questioned my statement that abortion has not been found to cause breast cancer. There is no evidence that it does.

In February 2003, the National Cancer Institute (NCI) convened a workshop of over 100 of the world’s leading experts who study pregnancy and breast cancer risk. Workshop participants reviewed existing population-based, clinical, and animal studies on the relationship between pregnancy and breast cancer risk, including studies of induced and spontaneous abortions. They concluded that having an abortion or miscarriage does not increase a woman’s subsequent risk of developing breast cancer. A summary of their findings, titled Summary Report: Early Reproductive Events and Breast Cancer Workshop, can be found at http://www.cancer.gov/cancerinfo/ere-workshop-report .

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/abortion-miscarriage

Also, see
http://www.center4research.org/abortion.html

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/68794.php

There was a recent write-up on this that I read.

Whether one wants to believe these studies or not, Pregnancy Centers should not be saying this. In a way, they shot themselves in the foot. Christians especially should not give anything but truth and that which they know is truth. If they are doing work for the Lord, then trust in the Lord and don't use scare tactics.

 

[Johnv]

Closing a thread is not censoring a poster..... it IS censoring that thread.

It is not censoring. By definition, censoring referrs to expressions in a public forum. The BB is a private forum, and is moderated. That by definition disqualifies such actions as censoring.

 

[Revmitchell]

Someone (maybe you) questioned my statement that abortion has not been found to cause breast cancer. There is no evidence that it does.


http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/abortion-miscarriage

Also, see
http://www.center4research.org/abortion.html

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/68794.php

There was a recent write-up on this that I read.

Whether one wants to believe these studies or not, Pregnancy Centers should not be saying this. In a way, they shot themselves in the foot. Christians especially should not give anything but truth and that which they know is truth. If they are doing work for the Lord, then trust in the Lord and don't use scare tactics.

I did and it is blatantly false that there is no evidence that it does. I posted several links opposing the info you give here. The relationship between cancer and abortion is become a very political one. In light of recent events with climate change I am more likely to believe the claims of those who say information on this is being denied, withheld, and ignored.

 

[Johnv]

Revmitchell is once again guilty of alarmism. The American Cancer Society (www.acs.org), the one organization that would stand to financially benefit from a link between abortion and cancers, states very plainly on their site that "... the scientific evidence does not support the notion that abortion of any kind raises the risk of breast cancer". ACS is well-known for their objectivity, and also for publicizing any reasonably possible links to cancers.

Stay tuned to see if anyone who agrees with the ACS gets accused of not really opposing abortion, or of liberalism, or of some other such nonsense.

 

[carpro]

Closing a thread is not censoring a poster..... it IS censoring that thread.

As has already been noted , this is a private forum and it has posted rules. One of those rules was clearly broken, so the thread was closed. That's not censorship.

Another point is that the thread was already past 3 pages and should have been closed anyhow. The news forum is limited to 3 pages, another one of those pesky rules.

 

[donnA]

there is actually a 3 page limit in this forum, and most threads go well beyond the limit, I think for the most part no one is moderating this forum, or there would be a lot more threads closed.

 

[windcatcher]

Bill Wald has ben found to have violated the addendum to Posting Rule 2

The official position of The Baptist Board is that life begins at conception. Statements of fact that would contradict the board’s position on this issue will be edited or deleted entirely.

And has been censured accordingly.
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Adtually there are no statements of fact that would contradict the board's position. The boards position is that life begins at conception. All other statements to the contrary are false and offensive. Period!

Closing a thread is not censoring a poster..... it IS censoring that thread.

As has already been noted , this is a private forum and it has posted rules. One of those rules was clearly broken, so the thread was closed. That's not censorship.

Another point is that the thread was already past 3 pages and should have been closed anyhow. The news forum is limited to 3 pages, another one of those pesky rules.

there is actually a 3 page limit in this forum, and most threads go well beyond the limit, I think for the most part no one is moderating this forum, or there would be a lot more threads closed.

While you are correct that there's a 3 page limit.... and many threads are closed at three pages.... some at the start of the 3rd page. However this administration and its moderators have made exception for posts which have activity or special interest... not saying that one did.

But this is an issue of saying one thing and doing another.
If a poster is banned because he/she's breaking the rules.... that means their membership is either timporairily suspended or permanently suspended during which they lose whatever privileges they have of posting and sending and receiving messages.
IF A POSTER IS CENSORED, it means certain individual and offensive postings have been either deleted or administration has edited out the offensive content.
But when you say you've censored a poster and deleted his postings but instead have closed the thread, If THE OFFENSIVE CONTENT REMAINS IN THE THREAD then it is the THREAD which is PUNISHED AND CENSORED AND NOT THE POSTER.

IF ITS THE PURPOSE OF ADMINISTRATION TO GET AN OFFENSIVE POSTER'S ATTENTION..... then giving a warning, or editing or deleting the offensive post, giving a temporary suspension or permanently bannint the poster are effective tools commonly used on most boards. BUT WHEN A POSTER SUCCEEDS IN GETTING A THREAD CLOSED because of offensive postings which remain..... it serves to encourage the same poster to control other threads, if he wishes, by continued and same behavior. It also doesn't stop other posters from doing the same if they can get away with it.

But all of you are right in that this board is private... most forums are, and the mods and administration owe no explanation. However, if they post an explanation but their exercise of control has a different effect... it should be within the rights of membership to be able to point this out. Any explanation given, even though, its not required, should say what it means and mean what it says or its better to give no explanation at all.
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I had intended to address some of the comments made regarding my own experience between doctors advice, the NCI, ACS, and NIH, (some helpful and some not so helpful) and the satisfaction and dissatisfaction after participating in a research program and the extent of attention or lack there of regarding side effects when interviewed by the doctor twice yearly, in the diagnosis and treatment of my cancer....... To show how there is conflicting information or certain options maybe presented as more favorable than others, based upon esthetics.... not even good science..... which otherwise present them all in the same light... and how a subtle difference which the average lay person doesn't consider by yielding to the experts can be the big difference in outcomes.

But, enough of all of this.
I perceive the members posting are finished with this subject.

I also perceive that most of us are very busy and already on information overload.... and haven't the room in our lives or time to spare to explore any research before presenting their opinions or to assimilate the meaning of their own personal experiences and assessments and discovery of what is reliable and what is not.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Clear Violation of A Posting Rule

There was a clear violation of a posting rule. Further, the thread was over three pages and was a candidate for closure without notice when problems arose.

I could have edited the thread if the offending post hadn't been quoted so extensively.

 

[windcatcher]

There was a clear violation of a posting rule. Further, the thread was over three pages and was a candidate for closure without notice when problems arose.

I could have edited the thread if the offending post hadn't been quoted so extensively.

Well I'm glad he got his hand slapped.
I see he's still posting.:tear:

 

[donnA]

However this administration and its moderators have made exception for posts which have activity or special interest... not saying that one did.

the exception is that LE no longer mods this forum and she would close down any thread when it reached 3 pages, according to BB rules.