Sorry brother, but the Latin Rite teaches Christ crucified for our sins, so much so that it is the highlight of our worship service. The difference between us and you is best explained thusly: We have an altar in our houses of worship, you have a pulpit.
Reformed Pastor Shares Emotional Hug with the Pope
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Jerome, Jan 27, 2017.
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1 Peter 3:21 says: "and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ".
Or: Mark 16:16 "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned".
And: Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Being the astute person that you are, I am sure you can see the recurring theme here. Not just faith/grace alone, but other things (in this case baptism) as well. -
St. Irenaeus
"The blessed apostles [Peter and Paul], having founded and built up the church [of Rome] . . . handed over the office of the episcopate to Linus" (Against Heresies 3:3:3 [A.D. 189]).
St. Augustine
"If all men throughout the world were such as you most vainly accuse them of having been, what has the chair of the Roman church done to you, in which Peter sat, and in which Anastasius sits today?" (Against the Letters of Petilani 2:118 [A.D. 402]).
"If the very order of episcopal succession is to be considered, how much more surely, truly, and safely do we number them from Peter himself, to whom, as to one representing the whole Church, the Lord said, ‘Upon this rock I will build my Church’ . . . [Matt. 16:18]. Peter was succeeded by Linus, Linus by Clement, Clement by Anacletus, Anacletus by Evaristus . . . " (Letters 53:1:2 [A.D. 412]).
St. Jerome
"[Pope] Stephen . . . was the blessed Peter’s twenty-second successor in the See of Rome" (Against the Luciferians 23 [A.D. 383]).
"Clement, of whom the apostle Paul writing to the Philippians says ‘With Clement and others of my fellow-workers whose names are written in the book of life,’ the fourth bishop of Rome after Peter, if indeed the second was Linus and the third Anacletus, although most of the Latins think that Clement was second after the apostle" (Lives of Illustrious Men 15 [A.D. 396]).
"Since the East, shattered as it is by the long-standing feuds, subsisting between its peoples, is bit by bit tearing into shreds the seamless vest of the Lord . . . I think it my duty to consult the chair of Peter, and to turn to a church [Rome] whose faith has been praised by Paul [Rom. 1:8]. I appeal for spiritual food to the church whence I have received the garb of Christ. . . . Evil children have squandered their patrimony; you alone keep your heritage intact" (Letters 15:1 [A.D. 396]).
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I asked you to name one living soul who got it right after the apostles, you come up with zip.
I'm willing to bet you can't give name of one person even know who has the faith of Christianity correct.
All your stolen bible verses, and reading peoples private letters without their permission means nothing because you do not have the authority to select the canon of scripture. -
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What about the apologies from Pope John Paul II? How can this be the Bride of Christ, without spot, blemish or any such thing? The exploits of the Medici popes is an interesting study.
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Jesus' admonition to the woman taken in adultery: "Go thy way and sin no more."
The blood of the innocent still cries out. Judgement is coming. Are we ready?
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
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Second verse sttes that belief saves, not water
Third verse, in the Greek text, states that we re baptized into what saves us, Jesus Christ
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What's funny is our main points of difference is our church says you should behave and do the right thing because those things help you along the way to salvation.
While you guys say election or faith alone, God has to do it all, you don't do a thing. Yet you guys jump ship and ditch the family when things get rocky and say we are wrong for not DOING the things you do.
So you would have to get advice from a Catholic to know the meaning of faith alone. -
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Having faith is just the beginning, it is the first step in the lifelong process of attempting to live a holy and pleasing life to God. It is declaring to oneself that you have trust in what God is saying even though we have never seen one thing of what we are being told to believe. We believe because we have faith - it's that simple. -
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How do you know if you have done enough good works? What if you come up short on good works?
"Not by acts of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Spirit; which He shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by His Grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life." Titus 3:5-7.
See also: Ephesians, 2:8-10, "For by grace are you saved through faith, That not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works least anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works; which God has before ordained that we should walk in them."
These scriptures require no interpretation or commentary. There is one prerequisite: being born again. See John 3:5, in context.
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Born of water - ummmmm, let's see, isn't that baptism? Why yes Wilber, that is correct! Baptism is the first part of what Jesus said and then it's the inner spiritual aspect - all flowing from His great sacrifice. Baptism is not a suggestion, it is a requirement. -
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Do you know anyone who was not gestated in a womb full of water? Not many. Water does not wash away sin. Now what?
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We don't preach works alone. We are just saying its not faith alone.
James 2
26For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.
Body = Faith
Works = Spirit.
Practice what you preach. Dead body alone theology. Should pile up dead bodies = pile up faith, in front your church see if something happens. -
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Bro. James Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Did you not spend about 40 weeks in the waters of your mother"s womb. Notice the question of Nicodemus: "Can I enter my mother's womb a second time? This is about physical birth and spiritual birth. Being born of water has nothing to do with being born of The Spirit. Do not marvel, you must be born from above to see the kingdom of God. This has nothing to do with baptism or other acts of righteousness which we may or may not do.
"Without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sin." Baptism does not regenerate anything.
Now what?
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Bro. James
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