How do you know God is not able to speak to us in everyday language, as He did when He wrote His N.T. i.e. Koine Greek? (not Classical Attic Greek). Why are you taking this Roman Catholic position? as they believed the Latin corrected the Originals, you believe the same for the English. The Anglican translators wisely said, "Translated out of the Original Greek, with former translations diligently compared and revised". To their credit, and despite their doctrine, they knew, as any translator knows, the Originals must be consulted, or you wouldn't have a translation.
Refuting KJOism, What Works, and What Does Not
Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Craigbythesea, Jun 27, 2004.
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And you still have not answered my questions in the other thread. Should I post them over here so you don't have to go looking for them? -
Homebound:Why are you so concerned about the past? Do you know where the word of GOd was then? I'm talking about now, not then.
God's word didn't just APPEAR. God gave it to men and told them to write it down. In some instances, He chose some of the writings of men, such as the historical narratives of the kings of Israel and Judah, to become Scripture.
We should look to the oldest-known writings of God's word to be as close to the very originals as He will permit. Without those sources, we wouldn't know what IS God's word.
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Homebound,
"CM, I understand that. But think, you don't have 100% proof that I'm wrong."
Indeed - but you're arguing for exclusivity without proof. I say NO exclusivity SINCE we have no proof. You're arguing from a disadvantage to begin with.
" What if the KJB is God's complete word? If it is, you and others are in grave danger. If it is not, then we all win."
If that's the case I'll be fine since the KJB is basically the only English bible I use. -
-Knowing that Psalms 12:6,7, which the modern versions change, is true, I believe it to be found in the KJB.
-Also, the modern versions disagree with the KJB.
-I believe there is no need for another translation after the AV1611.
-It is as GrannyGumbo would say, my "straight stick." It keeps me and my family inline.
-The world has changed alot since the new versions, for the bad that is.
-More world in the church today than ever.
-Principles are not being taught in the church because it might offend someone. :rolleyes:
-The music is worldly since the new versions.
-The KJB is imbedded in our history.
-Look at history and see the events that happened after the 1901 when the NASV, I believe, came out. Wars and Wars, etc.......
-I think it's because of this modern movement that many Christians today accept the idea that alcohol is okay. I say that it is not okay, unless used by a doctor for medical purposes, i.e., Nyquil, any consumsion is sin.
-Also the way people dress today in church is not in modest apparel.
-Kids not obeying their parents.
All these things, I believe are the result of the KJB not being believed and preached from the home and the pulpit. You asked so I told what I believe.
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Good morning, dear broHomeBound! So how goes the battle? Still hanging in there, I see...and doing a mighty fine job, mighty fine! [I saw where a new man is on Board-sure hope he can stay awhile].
You know what? That's what!...heh-heh, just tho't I'd throw a little bit of funny in there....anyhoo, the other day during one of the dry spots we had, I took a walk across the road into the woods, which runs into a swamp...
I spied a big ol'snake slithering there along the bank, but did I go pick it up? Noooooo~I did have a big stick (just in case), but I knew enough not to touch it. Kinda like I do my Bible & all them others. ;) I've never had a desire to look elsewhere...maybe there's something wrong wid me? :rolleyes:
My kin and their kin, etc, always called God's Word in English, The Holy Bible. Later on when I was a young'un, I heard it called the King James Bible, and as I got older, I started hearing the King James Version(I guess because of all those others that were called versions, maybe).
Well, just wanted to check-in and say "howdy" & to let ya know I'm praying for ya & the others here. Do not ever get off the old paths and always keep a straight stick with you...there's a lotta snakes out there. :eek: -
Homebound wrote:
For those not familiar with the term, William P. Grady is the "historian" who wrote What Hath God Wrought: A Biblical Interpretation of American History, and also the "esteemed" KJVO tome, Final Authority. In his writings, Grady promotes the idea that various historical events (wars, assassinations, etc.) are essentially God's retribution following the publications of MV's. For example, according to Grady- President's Lincoln, Garfield, and McKinley were all assassinated essentially as a result of God's vengence for recently translated versions of the Bible. Grady doesn't mention Kennedy's assassination, or the assassination attempts on Truman, Ford, or Reagan- although his book postdates these events. In Grady's worldview, maybe this latter group is an indication that God's trigger-finger isn't quite so itchy anymore; or perhaps His aim isn't quite what it used to be. <sarcasm>
To read more about Grady, here's a link:
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Originally posted by HomeBound:
-Knowing that Psalms 12:6,7, which the modern versions change, is true, I believe it to be found in the KJB.
Ps. 12:6,7 was found in the scripture and the MT long before you were born and many years before the KJV ever came into a thought.
-Also, the modern versions disagree with the KJB.
That is the same arguemt the old folks used at one time with old cars. But I see none of them driving old cars today. None of them complain about the comfort and gas mileage of the new cars either.
-I believe there is no need for another translation after the AV1611.
Same old argument used by those who did not support a new version when the KJV arrived on the scene
-It is as GrannyGumbo would say, my "straight stick." It keeps me and my family inline.
Read your Bible sometime and you find out God disagrees with you. Sometime read Hosea 6:6, “For I delight in loyalty rather than sacrifice, And in the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings.” The KJV does not and never did anything for anybody. It is obedience that God demands.It is not the Bible at work. It is God at work in the life of a person that transfroms.
-The world has changed a lot since the new versions, for the bad that is.
Could you name some ways that it has gotten worse than how it was in Corinth?
-The music is worldly since the new versions.
The same thing was said after Watts began to publish music.
-The KJB is imbedded in our history.
So is sin.
-I think it's because of this modern movement that many Christians today accept the idea that alcohol is okay. I say that it is not okay, unless used by a doctor for medical purposes, i.e., Nyquil, any consumsion is sin.
Didn’t Jesus drink wine? Didn’t Paul recommend to Timothy a little wine for his stomach? When I lived in the south I saw more alcoholic beverages than anywhere I have lived in the US.
-Kids not obeying their parents.
You forgot to read the OT.
All these things, I believe are the result of the KJB not being believed and preached from the home and the pulpit.
Sometime you need to sit down and read your Bible. You don’t seem to understand sin. Sin existed long before the KJV Bible. -
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HomeBound, here is the post in question:
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I think Jesus and Timothy both drank wine - the fully fermented kind! Remember that this was about the only thing that wouldn't spoil in the age before refrigerators. We don't need alcohol today since we can keep our drinks safe!
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Homebound,
Remember I have nothing against the KJB - but how can we REALLY say given the changes (albeit small ones) that the KJB is the word for word inspired ONLY bible. I understand that you and others feel that God has showed this to you - but that doesn't really qualify as God's written revelation that is binding upon others.
If there were one complete manuscript written by apostles' hands that we knew was directed translated into the KJB then I'd likely be KJBO too. But the fact is that it just didn't happen that way. -
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What you've essentially just admitted is that, as long as there are no doctrinal differences, the exact wording of God's Word isn't the real issue.
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Homebound:True. God preserved his word in other Bibles before the KJB. I just believe the Bible was complete in 1611. There is no need for another translation.
There's absolutely no basis for such a belief. You KNOW those earlier English Bibles are each different from any other, as is the KJV. There's no evidence whatsoever that God retired in 1611. You know as well as I that the language has changed over the years, and that in earlier times God caused His word to appear in the English of those days. There's no reason to believe He quit updating His word as time passed. -
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Homebound,
I think if the Spirit were in the business of revealing KJBOism to people He'd have made things a little more clear. Although there are lots of manuscripts and multiple revisions of the KJB it still seems perfectly clear to you that the KJB in your study is the only word of God; and the NASB in someone else's is a satanic by product.
It seems that you have long since decided what you think is right - and then you do the research AFTER the fact. -
And, once again, I can't help but noticed you avoided answering ANY of my questions. How can you claim to be an honest person if you keep dodging the questions?
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