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Featured Repetition & Redundancy in the Holy Bible 2.0

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by franklinmonroe, Nov 6, 2018.

  1. franklinmonroe

    franklinmonroe Active Member

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    Interesting correspondence between Jeremiah 16:14-15 & 23:7-8 (KJV)--

    14 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
    that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth,
    that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

    15 But, The LORD liveth, that brought up
    the children of Israel from the land of the north,
    and from all the lands whither he had driven them:
    and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.

    7 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
    that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth,
    which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

    8 But, The LORD liveth, which brought up
    and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country,
    and from all countries whither I had driven them;
    and they shall dwell in their own land.
     
  2. Squire Robertsson

    Squire Robertsson Administrator
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    What is the purpose of this thread?
     
  3. franklinmonroe

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    Several purposes. I assume you have read the thread from the beginning, so you may have picked up on some of the reasons [also another thread in the archives]. We read the Bible but most of these completely escape our attention. Why? Are our translations partly to blame?

    Here are just some explicit reasons for the presence in the Versions & Translations forum:
    1) by comparing the English renderings to the original language text a person can make various assessments of the translation work done [I have at times provided the Hebrew or Greek in the post] although this is not peculiar to these duplicate passages;
    2) what is peculiar to these duplicate passages is that they allow the comparison of the English renderings done by the very same translation body which often have not rendered it the same way twice! Different punctuation, capitalization, or italicizing... but also sometimes entire words are added or dropped, word order changed, etc. [which I sometimes enumerate]. Is it desirable to always have the original language text rendered the precisely the same way?
    3) naturally, the above lead to comparing an English translation to another English translation [I sometimes supply multiple English renderings].

    I offer these duplicate passages [which seem to be widely unknown among Christians], but I don't always provide all the material for comparisons.

    There are side issues as well: what is God communicating by allowing repeated words, phrases, verses or passages in the Bible? How do duplicate passages this fit within theological issues [the 'duplicate passage issue' comes up in apologetics] such as Inspiration and Illumination? Does the way a redundant passage is translated in both places bolster or undermine your view of a beloved translation?
     
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  4. John of Japan

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    By word "sadly," are you disagreeing with this website? I certainly hope so. It's an awful site, with heretical bibliology.
     
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    Concerning the use of the term "redundant" in this thread, I object. The passages in question are parallel, but they are not redundant. Each passage, even when parallel, has eternal truth relevant to that particular document inspired by God, with different exegetical nuances peculiar to itself, rather than duplicating the nuances of the parallel passage.

    "Definition of redundant
    1a: exceeding what is necessary or normal : SUPERFLUOUS
    b: characterized by or containing an excessspecifically : using more words than necessary
    c: characterized by similarity or repetitiona group of particularly redundant brick buildings
    dchiefly British : no longer needed for a job and hence laid off
    2: PROFUSE, LAVISH
    3: serving as a duplicate for preventing failure of an entire system (such as a spacecraft) upon failure of a single component"

    From: Definition of REDUNDANT
     
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    I have to agree with Squire Robertsson, Administrator.
     
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    I also agree with John of Japan.
     
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