Republican War on Women and Workers

>I notice that no one addresses the subject of equal pay for the same work. Just crying and trying to avoid the subject I guess.

This is only a problem in scab shops. The solution is a union contract.

 

But the union forces a new man to work harder and produce twice as much as a 20 year man, but yet they pay the new man half as much.

If the new man does just as much as the 20 year man then shouldnt the new man get equal pay as well?

Besides, the unions are killing jobs here in the US and driving them overseas. Just ask the thousands of laid off UAW workers in Detroit.

Unions are not a good example for this argument at all.

John

 

>Like when a union member working on the assembly line is paid more than the guy working right next to him doing the exact same job - just because he has worked there longer?

I have no problem with lower pay for new hires. I have no problem with a seniority at lay-off time. I didn't have a problem with it when I was a new hire on any job I had.

Case law in Washington State treats state pensions as deferred comp. A pension provision can't be changed without the new provisions having equal value. So PERS1 has a better retirement than PERS2 which has a better retirement than PERS3. As a Libertarian, I have no problem with this scheme. I knew what I was promised when I hired on. The new guy knows what he was promised when he hired on. It should be the goal of the union to improve the new guy's pension without stealing from the old guy.

 

>But the union forces a new man to work harder and produce twice as much as a 20 year man

I have never observed this. The only inequality I see is in medical benefits. My partner had ten years on me but never married. I had a wife and 5 kids. My medical benefits were worth at least twice his. I propose that every employee receive the same dollar value of medical and once every year he then declares how his medical benefits are divided between he and his dependents. If he wants to declare his postal carrier as a dependent, no business of mine.

 

What all these surveys of pay differences between men and women ignore is the fact that many women take themselves out to the workforce for a period of time to have children.

That effectively gives them less experience and less seniority.

So it is a natural consequence that they would make less.

Also the surveys can't measure the differences in productivity, effectiveness, etc. between the men and the women in the study.

Crabby has no knowledge of what he is talking about - yet again.

 

Which would make already overpriced union products cost the consumer even more, killing sales, and making even more union companies move overseas.

Yeah, thats what they should do.

Two things that union people just cannot understand are:

The company belongs to the owners/shareholders....not the workers.

And, having a job is a priviledge, not a right.

Unions extort company profits until they squeeze them dry, and then they draw unemployment for a year after they force themselves out of a job.

All unions should be outlawed. At one time in our history unions were needed because we didnt have worker's protection laws. But now we do, so let's get rid of the greedy unions and their mafia leaders.

John

 

I am a retired welder/fitter. I have seen a few women welders in my day, but none of them produced even half the finished products that the men did.

Just because a man and a woman hold the same position doesnt mean they do equal work.

John

 

Why would I discuss ethics with someone as dishonest as you ? Because I straightened up some of your "facts", you have to make up an unsupportable fairy tale that I treat people badly based on race & gender. You really are a disgusting person.

I merely praised the governor for not wasting taxpayer's money.

 

Pound sand, Crabby. You don't get to define my position. Just put some words in my mouth, pat yerself on the back. That's all you do, anyway. I'll stay with the facts.

The facts are, this bill would have done nothing more than give Wisconsin the added burden of prosecuting a crime in which the feds already have jurisdiction.

 

I support equal pay for equal work no matter what the gender of the worker is.

However, equal pay for equal position is just wrong. Even if it is two men holding the same position, the one that is more productive deserves more money.

Again, in my years of working as a fitter/welder I have encounted a few female welders, and not one of them had the physical ability to produce more than half the work that the men did.

So, if anyone can't be as productive as the average, then they don't deserve equal pay, no matter what their gender is.

John

 

You have already claimed I don't. Why are you asking me, now ?

 

All three of these Republican women that Crabby is holding out has his gold standard...

Support abortion...

Want my Federal tax dollars to pay for abortion...

And think that churches should pay for abortive/contraceptive drugs against their beliefs.

Crabby appears to be fighting his own little "war against life" here on the board.

 

Nothing, it is a fabricated issue made for election year. This is not a grassroots perception. It was fabricated and repeated by the political left and their cronies in the mainstream media to convince people.

 

So how is the Democrat imaginary war on women going?

Not so good.

"A recent CBS-New York Times poll reveals that Americans oppose government mandated employer provided insurance that provides birth control when the employer has moral objections — the administration’s current campaign centerpiece — 51 percent to 40 percent. And that jumps to a 57 percent to 36 percent majority when we’re talking about religiously affiliated employers.

The same poll shows the president’s approval rating has sunk to a new all-time low of 41 percent. Looks like voters aren’t all that excited about government-mandated free contraceptives for everyone.

The Democrat’s “war on women” is attracting a lot of attention, but it doesn’t seem to be gaining any traction."

http://normantranscript.com/opinion/x1968911038/-War-on-women-was-created-by-Democrats