Featured Review of Free Will 2

Saying someone doesn't understand something is not a defense of your point of view.

Let's rewind.

Rockson's assertion: You can know and basically understand God's plan without being born again to do so.

TCassidy's response: So you think 1 Cor 2:14 is wrong? "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

My assertion: The natural man knows that Jesus was born in Bethlehem, died on a cross and was raised from the dead. The natural man can know that in order to be saved they must repent and believe in the Gospel.

TCassidy's response: And once again you display this remarkable inability to discern the difference between the physical and the spiritual.

That is not a point. That is an inability to address my assertion, and a dismissal because you don't want to confront the facts.

 

What part of Rockson's word "know" are you having trouble understanding?

Spiritually discerned things in the context of 1 Cor 2 are the "wisdom of the mature" and "the hidden wisdom of God" (verses 6 and 7), and the "deep things of God" (verse 10). It is not the Gospel. The Gospel can be known by people without the necessity of believing in it. There are MILLIONS of unregenerate, unsaved people that KNOW what the Gospel is and what it says. To say otherwise is to deny reality.

 

Now do Ezekiel 36. Explain who is being addressed in that passage.

 

1689Dave: "Those who choose to believe already believed before they chose to believe or they wouldn't have believed."

What a bunch of nonsense.

(And yes, I see that the mods removed my previous post on this matter.)

 

What verse says " bondage to sin ?

 

How can you choose to do anything you don't already believe in?

 

(Entering Rabbit hole #1)

Just last Wednesday I chose a doctor for my mother to see because her regular doctor had retired. I didn't know who this person was, just that she was a geriatric doctor and I knew her name. I chose her.

 

Choosing to believe was your first act of faith..............

 

I did not know this doctor.
I did know her name.
I did know she was a doctor.
I presumed she went to medical school.
I knew she had a medical practice.

I have no idea what you are attempting to say.

 

I believed she was a doctor. So? You define that as faith?

 

Well, you are really, really good at it!

 

Romans 6:17. KJV uses the words "the servants. of sin."

 

Why not address my previous post:

Spiritually discerned things in the context of 1 Cor 2 are the "wisdom of the mature" and "the hidden wisdom of God" (verses 6 and 7), and the "deep things of God" (verse 10). It is not the Gospel. The Gospel can be known by people without the necessity of believing in it. There are MILLIONS of unregenerate, unsaved people that KNOW what the Gospel is and what it says. To say otherwise is to deny reality.

 

Agreed.

The point being discussed is not whether or not someone "knows" Jesus in the salvific sense. Rockson's point was that people can know basic spiritual things about the Gospel, the sinless life of Jesus, his death on a cross, his resurrection, and that they need to believe this to be a Christian.

You seem to be saying, that no, people can't even know the facts of the Gospel because they are spiritually discerned. My point is that people can know the facts of the Gospel. The verse in 1 Cor 2:14 is indeed speaking of a deeper knowledge of Christ, the weightier matters of the Spirit. Unregenerate people can't understand these things. But they can understand the Gospel.