Review of Martin Luther and Free Will

You have been shown over and over and over again.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with the false doctrine of "free will." The will of the lost man is not free. It is in bondage to the law of sin and death according to Romans 8:2, (In bondage means "not free.")

False doctrine is not taught anywhere in the bible.

Your false doctrine has been around since Satan said, "Has God really said . . . ?" (Genesis 3:1.)

 

You would be better off agreeing with what the bible says rather than what some Pelagians believe, not to mention a Se-baptist.

 

Which has nothing to do with "free will."

"Free will" denies Romans 8:2.

I am neither a calvinist nor a determinist.

Please do not lie about what I believe.

Romans 8:2 makes it clear. Only Christ frees the will of the sinner from the law of sin and death. To deny that is to deny the bible.

 

No, he wasn't. He was never baptized, and was, until the time of his death, a Mennonite.

Then you deny the will of the lost man is free but bound by the law of sin and death. Good. We are making progress. Now you don't believe in "free will" but in the bible teaching of the bondage of the will.

I didn't say you were a Pelagian. I said you agreed with some Pelagians. Do you deny the Eastern Orthodox Church is Pelagian? Or that the Anabaptists of Holland were Pelagian?

And the first Baptists were William Kiffin and John Spilsbury. Read up on them.

 

John Smyth was, as I said in my earlier post, not a baptist. He was, at best, a se-baptist who tried to become a Mennonite but died before he could be baptized a Mennonite.

Nope. First of all he was excommunicated from the "Baptist" church by, yep, your "hero" Thomas Helwys. He was never baptized. If you are referring to the article by Dr. John Clifford in the "General Baptist Magazine," that claims John Morton baptized John Smyth, it has been exposed to have been a forgery. (See "Baptised Believers," R. R. Kershaw, Nottingham University, 1995.)

Also, I am sure an expert on church history like you would know that before he died Smyth denied original sin and taught that Christians could believe whatever they wanted to believe regardless of what the bible taught.

Well, I taught Ecclesiastical History for 25 years at the Seminary, so I might have read just a bit on the subject.

So you do not believe in Romans 8:2?

I don't think it is strange for a baptist to believe the bible.

Of course they are. My family history is firmly rooted in Anabaptism.

Grew up with them.

He was the first real baptist. Neither Smyth nor Helwys are what we call "baptist" today.

Taught it in the seminary for 25 years. And you?

So? Some historians believe that there may have been some early Particular Baptist ministries during the reign of Edward VI (1547-1553) but they were not distinct from other dissenting groups.

It is generally agreed that Particular Baptists began to separate from other dissident/independent congregations in 1633 and began to form their own churches. But they existed long before that time.