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Rick Warren & "Resisters", Those Believers Who Refuse To Change
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by IveyLeaguer, Jun 28, 2006.
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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There is no doubt that people underestimate the force and power of the ongoing spiritual moves, especially Purpose-Driven. I wish it were a fad that will soon die out but I don't think so. Purpose-Driven has legs, and it's the unseen part of it - the complex, dynamic, and super-sophisticated mechanical foundation - that convinces me it is here for the duration. I expect Purpose-Driven to evolve somewhat and eventually merge with some other movements, which are plenty powerful in their own right. Money is virtually unlimited and secular connections to even more money are already in place.
Combine all that with the great spiritual force which is behind Purpose-Driven - a force that manifests magnetic attraction, as well as blinding delusion - and you have an entity that is broad and overwhelming in its reality. It is yet another subject but that simple idea should help you understand what you've been dealing with, at least to some extent.
Stick around!
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Thanks to all for the information. Lots of reading to do.
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Scripture holds ministers responsible for Paul's command to Timothy to 'Preach the Word'!
It does not hold them responsible for filling up a church(God's work)
It does not hold them responsible for motivational speeches, just the holy word of God.
It doesnt hold them responsible for marraige psychology, just God's word and principles!
You could fill the coloseum totally with humanity but without God's Word being preached, the presence of the holy One may well be absent!!
The huge seeker sensitive 'churches' today are man's effort to please God by saying, "See how good I did. I got this whole place filled up'. Nowhere in scripture is such a command given, just 'Preach the Word'. God does the rest and also gets credit and glory for all of it!! -
2 Timothy 4
Preach the Word
1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at[a] His appearing and His kingdom: 2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 5 But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry. -
Considering the subject of this thread, I would have bolded this, instead.
1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at[a] His appearing and His kingdom: 2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 5 But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry. -
That is a great and valid point!
Guess my thinking was regarding RW and what he and other ministers will be held accountable to God for!
At the same time, our world today is definitely showing a famine of the word, according to Amos warning. The word is rarely being preached and also the people have no tolerance when it is preached!!
However, I must say I"m blessed to listen to sound doctrine, expository preaching 3 times weekly and also blessed that the church fills up to listen to this strong doctrine!
I pray for more hearts to be convicted and that they will pray to be led to churches where the true, strong, doctrine and verse by verse preaching is given to hungry hearts!!
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PDL and the entire Emergent Church Movement is man centered.
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Are you saying that Christians can be saved and believe whatever they wish? Is doctrine important or not?
Are you also stating that the congregation should never question the leadership of a Church and should simply follow them wherever they go for the sake of unity? I am quite sure there are some Anglican Church leaders who would love to enforce that belief right now, but I am not sure it is necessarily Biblical.
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Webdog - doesn't believe Calvinism is correct.
Joseph and Webdog - believers.
I would say yes to both part one and two.
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I noticed that post was in 2001. OUCH! Webdog, you got a long memory. I'm glad I don't have any posts from that far back on this board. They wouldn't be anything like what I say these days.
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Thankfully God's grace is unending and can change a heart at any give point in time and we begin to see things so differently! Its both sanctification and grace that keeps us looking always to Him and His word and He continues to show us new glimpses of His truth, opening our eyes, removing the veil! It can happen to anyone who truly is hungry to know God in His awesome fullness and majesty!
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Now--you are "clickin'" on the same level as I am, JBot!!!
Bro. David
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