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right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...Housing?
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I agree. 
I am prepared for the onslaught.
I am prepared for the onslaught.
They have a right to earn it.
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Those who are lazy and refuse to work...do they have a right to a house, and if so, then who should pay for it?
Joseph Botwinick
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Exactly! But some people don't get the opportunity to.
Did you earn your salvation?
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No. But then...how do you define lazy? Is someone who has to work four part time jobs because they are trying to survive and don't have the skills for any decent full time job, nor are there many in the area, lazy?
So...Habitat for Humanity is a bad thing eh?
BTW: "I've taken a few breaths and calmed down. I am not a conservative and I apologize for my anger. I put myself on the line, trying to share a tad of my circumstances to find out what I should do and I felt mocked and degraded. I apologize for how I handled it. That's all I have to say...no need to respond."
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No. But then...how do you define lazy?</font>[/QUOTE]I define lazy as someone who refuses to work. I even put that in my original question. There are some people in the world who do refuse to work, you know?
Is someone who has to work four part time jobs because they are trying to survive and don't have the skills for any decent full time job, nor are there many in the area, lazy? [/QUOTE]
Of course not. A person who refuses to work is lazy.
So...Habitat for Humanity is a bad thing eh?[/QUOTE]
Although I don't care for its founder, all in all, HFH is a good thing.
BTW: "I've taken a few breaths and calmed down. I am not a conservative and I apologize for my anger. I put myself on the line, trying to share a tad of my circumstances to find out what I should do and I felt mocked and degraded. I apologize for how I handled it. That's all I have to say...no need to respond." [/QUOTE]
I didn't see you get angry, so no need to apologize.
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Exactly! But some people don't get the opportunity to.
Did you earn your salvation? </font>[/QUOTE]Our salvation is not a right guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States, and is therefore, not relevant to this political, not theological, discussion.
Joseph Botwinick
Originally posted by King James:
Exactly! But some people don't get the opportunity to.
I don't believe that at all. Some people don't want to earn it.
Did you earn your salvation?
That has nothing to do with this conversation, so it won't be answered, by me.
Exactly! But some people don't get the opportunity to.
I don't believe that at all. Some people don't want to earn it.
Did you earn your salvation?
That has nothing to do with this conversation, so it won't be answered, by me.
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No.</font>[/QUOTE]If your response is correct, then the Constitution of the United States does not guarantee a right to have a house, because not everyone gets it.
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It would be cool if a society could consider minimum standards of shelter and food to be basic human rights. But even if we did, being able to sustain and deliver that right would be a huge cost and a nightmare to manage.
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Gold,
I could imagine a society that did as you wish they would do. I imagine a society where the majority (much larger percentage than we have in America) lives in squaller and doesn't take care of what they do have because it has no real meaning to them. Those who can work, and don't, but are given everything, are spoiled. That is not human rights. That is not dignity. That is saying, here is the lowest standard in which you can live and still survive, and that is all you are worth. Now enjoy your miserable little life while the rest of us go and find true dignity by working for what we have and living a better life.
Joseph Botwinick
I could imagine a society that did as you wish they would do. I imagine a society where the majority (much larger percentage than we have in America) lives in squaller and doesn't take care of what they do have because it has no real meaning to them. Those who can work, and don't, but are given everything, are spoiled. That is not human rights. That is not dignity. That is saying, here is the lowest standard in which you can live and still survive, and that is all you are worth. Now enjoy your miserable little life while the rest of us go and find true dignity by working for what we have and living a better life.
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Wow. So those who wish food and shelter for all of mankind are miserable and lazy with no dignity for others. I see, thanks for your enlightenment.
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The salvation question was relevant. Some feel you have to earn everything. I asked if salvation was earned.
["Exactly! But some people don't get the opportunity to."
"I don't believe that at all. Some people don't want to earn it."]
True. But some people don't get the opportunity. I know that for a fact and I am not talking about myself. But since everything turns into an argument I will not offer my very valid opinion.
["Exactly! But some people don't get the opportunity to."
"I don't believe that at all. Some people don't want to earn it."]
True. But some people don't get the opportunity. I know that for a fact and I am not talking about myself. But since everything turns into an argument I will not offer my very valid opinion.
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Wow. So those who wish food and shelter for all of mankind are miserable and lazy with no dignity for others. I see, thanks for your enlightenment. </font>[/QUOTE]Nope. Those who wish the very lowest standard of living for those who are not willing to work while they find true dignity by earning a better life are calloused and uncaring about those who have less. It is really a very elitist attitude that says here is the very least we can give you while we go and live in our cushy homes. Instead of educating them and convincing them that laziness is not the way to go, we throw them the crumbs from our table and actually make them think they should be grateful for it. That is not dignity. That is not human rights. That is calloused elitism.
And, your welcome for the enlightenment. Hopoefully, you will actually think about it and consider the attitude that says it promotes the idea of human rights and dignity to give others the very minimum standards of life instead of trying to help them improve their lives, while we sit in our cushy homes, enjoying the excesses of life.
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Joseph, this has opened my eyes somewhat. I think you have a point. But...aren't conservative politicians guilty of the same thing? And aren't conservative bosses of business guilty of the same thing when they fire someone simply because they don't like them and not because they couldn't do the job.
Total tangent but have you ever been fired for DOING your job? It sucks.
Total tangent but have you ever been fired for DOING your job? It sucks.
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Yes, I have. I was bitter for a while. But, through God's grace, I moved on, and found a better job.
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Cool Joseph. I have another job now but am still bitter. I still need to move on.
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I am quite sure that liberal and conservative bosses alike are guilty of this.
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