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Roman Catholicism and the total abuse & murder of children (incl. abortion).

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  1. Walter

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    'Pro-Catholicism Andrew'! You have really come unhinged, lol. This is the biggest piece of hooey you have posted in a while. First, you tell us that in your conversations with Andrew the ONLY problem he has with SDA teaching is it's abominable practice of running abortion mills and stating it is pro-choice. Now, you claim Andrew is Pro-Catholicism. You simply throw whatever you can against the wall and hope something sticks. The Official teaching of the Catholic Church is that abortion is EVIL. The SDA will NOT say that. In fact, your doctors and abortion mills are in full swing right this minute.

    The SDA tactic is: 'hey, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!'. Stop the lies and and the slander. You have no defense for your murdering 'Adventists Health'. Good day, sir, we are through here!
     
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    I can only go by what said person says. A person can speak out of both sides of their mouth, it has happened before you know. It can also be chalked up to simple ignorance (though I doubt it in this case). He can speak for himself, and I gave you his email.

    What do you call a person, who says that Roman Catholisicm's doctrine is 'correct' and the Seventh-day Adventists doctrine is 'in error'? That person would be 'pro-(what?)'

    He is wrong about the 'doctrine' portion on both counts as I cited here in this thread, and to which he did not address in any of his video material, neither in response to myself.

    Not at all. My sources are carefully cited and defined. I have been most forward in all matters raised in this thread.

    Actually no. It only counts as 'EVIL' when that which is terminated is 'innocent' and a 'human being' as defined by themselves. I documented on several occasions in this thread how they define those terms. Therefore, the definition does not include that which they define as 'guilty' or 'beast'. Does it? That is fairly obvious.

    I do not know what more I can cite for you, that what I have already cited on several occasions beginning in the OP:

    "... ABORTION

    "Few are aware of the fearful extent to which this nefarious business, this worse than develish practice, is carried on in all classes of society! Many a woman determines that she will not become a mother, and subjects herself to the vilest treatment, committing the basest crime to carry out her purpose. And many a man, who has 'as many children as he can support.' instead of restraining his passions, aids in the destruction of the babes he has begotten. {1870 JW, SOAP 100.2}

    "The sin lies at the door of both parents in equal measure; for the father, although he may not always aid in the murder, is always accessory to it, in that he induces, and sometimes even forces upon the mother the condition which he knows will lead to the commission of this crime. {1870 JW, SOAP 100.3}

    "But the effort to destroy the child is [101] many times unsuccessful, and the little one is born with murder in his heart, stamped there by the murderous intentions of his own mother. And what wonder that these inborn passions should lead him to the lowest depths of degradation both as regards the body and the soul! Many a child lives to mature years, dwarfed and deformed in body, and irritable and imbecile in mind, a disgrace to himself and to the race, who might have been a model of beauty and strength, both physically and mentally, but for the attempts of his parents to destroy his life before he was born. {1870 JW, SOAP 100.4}

    "And besides all this, the consequences of such a practice are most disastrous both upon the physical and moral nature of those whose souls are stained with this terrible sin. The general health of the mother is often ruined, and the generative organs seriously injured. No system can endure the shock produced by this unnatural crime without being more or less impaired, while many a woman meets death as a penalty for her sin; others live, but are never again in a condition to conceive, and often suffer constantly in consequence of their fiendish endeavors; while others still are enabled to bear children, but with such anguish as no tongue may tell, and the child thus born is frequently a curse to himself and all with whom he is connected." {1870 JW, SOAP 101.1} ..." - James Springer White (Husband to Ellen G. White, and prominent leader of Seventh-day Adventist Movement), A Solemn Appeal, pages 100.2-101.1

    Yet, you did not even define 'abortion', which I keep trying to get you to do. You happen to like to live in accusatory nebulous land. If that be the case, so be it. I attempted to show you a better way.

    Propaganda. Keep repeating the lie loud enough, and you will most assuredly convince yourself to begin with.

    As you will, but just remember you wanted this to happen, see OP. I told you I would finish this, that you might think before simply going on the SJW band-wagon and being ill-informed to a fault as 'pro-Catholicism Andrew' is. (btw, there are many who call themselves Seventh-day Adventists, and are definitely pro-catholicism, even allowing Lenten services against all official doctrine of Seventh-day Adventist movement (its on film, as a good brother of mine sat in and filmed it, against the 'pastors' (wolf) admonition).
     
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    Again, you cite sources long since ignored by the present SDA. The present guidelines and fact that Adventist hospitals and abortion clinics are hacking apart babies as we speak. Go ahead, deny it is taking place!

    God bless Pro-Life Andrew! I hope more and more SDA"s wake up to the holocaust their church condones and participates in daily!
     
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    Dale Ratzlaff's (a seriously biased ex-adventist, whose entire 'ministry' is not the Gospel, but hating on adventism and Ellen G White, go read his material for yourself, they cannot help themselves) website 'lifeassurance ...' is not source for truth. I emailed his so-called ministry on numerous occasions on various doctrines, with complete documentation. Guess what I got in return for each of those efforts? Nuthin'.

    Dale Ratzlaff refutes himself, it is so blatantly error:



    I have a whole thread on one topic already - Questions about the Sabbath of the LORD thy God, this subject is interesting don't you think so?

    Dale is also seriously refuted here - Link to the Truth

    So for every link you post, I can post the Truth in response to it. It is always reduced to this, because you cannot of your ownself defend what you state. I can.

    This thread is the other topic you cited, and as usual, neither yourself, nor Dale, deals with anything I presented herein.

    So, keep clapping at your acheivements at firing missiles into open water where no enemy threat is, Kim Jong-un ...
     
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    Unhinged is appropriate here... unfortunately :(
     
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    Alofa Atu Well-Known Member

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    Let's consider a related topic that is often cited and found in association with this topic.

    Death Penalty. The Bible (KJB), even God, is for it.
     
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    Gen_2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

    2Ki_19:35 And it came to pass that night, that the angel of the LORD went out, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.

    Rom_6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Luk_19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

    Eze 9:1 He cried also in mine ears with a loud voice, saying, Cause them that have charge over the city to draw near, even every man with his destroying weapon in his hand.

    Eze 9:2 And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar.

    Eze 9:3 And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side;

    Eze 9:4 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.

    Eze 9:5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:

    Eze 9:6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

    Eze 9:7 And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.

    Eze 9:8 And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?

    Eze 9:9 Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The LORD hath forsaken the earth, and the LORD seeth not.

    Eze 9:10 And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head.

    Eze 9:11 And, behold, the man clothed with linen, which had the inkhorn by his side, reported the matter, saying, I have done as thou hast commanded me.

    Act 12:23 And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.

    Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

    Who doesn't believe in the death penalty?

    Gen_3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

    The devil would have everyone permanently alive on death row forever, immortal sinners, for he himself doesn't want to die, but live in rebellion forever.

    This is not to leave out mercy, clemency, etc. Only the finality, instead of the lingering, yet God is long suffering and not willing that any should perish:

    2Pe_3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

    Yet, "longsuffering", is not eternally suffering the wicked to live, for there is a limit to sin:

    Jas_1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

    Even as it was in the days of Noah and in the days of Lot.
     
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    Some verses for the OP Topic to be discussed with those willing to do so:

    Job 10:19 I should have been as though I had not been; I should have been carried from the womb to the grave.

    Job 3:2 And Job spake, and said,

    Job 3:3 Let the day perish wherein I was born, and the night in which it was said, There is a man child conceived.

    Job 3:4 Let that day be darkness; let not God regard it from above, neither let the light shine upon it.

    Job 3:5 Let darkness and the shadow of death stain it; let a cloud dwell upon it; let the blackness of the day terrify it.

    Job 3:6 As for that night, let darkness seize upon it; let it not be joined unto the days of the year, let it not come into the number of the months.

    Job 3:7 Lo, let that night be solitary, let no joyful voice come therein.

    Job 3:8 Let them curse it that curse the day, who are ready to raise up their mourning.

    Job 3:9 Let the stars of the twilight thereof be dark; let it look for light, but have none; neither let it see the dawning of the day:

    Job 3:10 Because it shut not up the doors of my mother's womb, nor hid sorrow from mine eyes.

    Job 3:11 Why died I not from the womb? why did I not give up the ghost when I came out of the belly?

    Job 3:12 Why did the knees prevent me? or why the breasts that I should suck?

    Job 3:13 For now should I have lain still and been quiet, I should have slept: then had I been at rest,

    Job 3:16 Or as an hidden untimely birth I had not been; as infants which never saw light.

    Job 3:17 There the wicked cease from troubling; and there the weary be at rest.

    Job 3:18 There the prisoners rest together; they hear not the voice of the oppressor.

    Job 3:18 The small and great are there; and the servant is free from his master.

    Psalms 58:5 As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun.

    Ecclesiastes 4:3 Yea, better is he than both they, which hath not yet been, who hath not seen the evil work that is done under the sun.

    Ecclesiastes 6:3 If a man beget an hundred children, and live many years, so that the days of his years be many, and his soul be not filled with good, and also that he have no burial; I say, that an untimely birth is better than he.

    Deuteronomy 1:39 Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.

    Isaiah 7:16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.

    Romans 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
     
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    utilyan then attempted in another thread (why do you (reader) think he didn't address it in this thread?) the useless question:

    To which then came the reply, and then nothing further afterward by utilyan in the other thread (why do you (reader) think that is?)

    Sticks & Stones - Do You Stone The Sabbath Breaker? (Num 15:32-36)

    "... Therefore, in order for "abortion" to be "murder" the definition must be specific, and so here is a definition from Black's Law Dictionary:

    "... ABORTION

    The artificial or spontaneous termination of a pregnancy before the embryo or foetus can survive on its own outside a woman’s uterus. ..." - What is ABORTION? definition of ABORTION (Black's Law Dictionary)

    "... MURDER

    The crime committed where a person of sound mind and discretion (that is, of sufficient age to form and execute a criminal design and not legally “insane”) kills any human creature in being (excluding quick but unborn children) and in the peace of the state or nation (including all persons except the military forces of the public enemy in time of war or battle) without any warrant, justification, or excuse in law. with malice aforethought, express or implied, that is, with a deliberate purpose or a design or determination distinctly formed in the mind before the commission of the act, provided that death results from the injury Inflicted within one year and a day after its infliction.
    See Kilpatrick v. Com., 31 Pa. 19S; Llotema v. U. S., 186 U. S. 413. 22 Sup. Ct 895, 46 L. Ed. 1225; Guiteau’s Case (D. C.) 10 Fed. 101; Clarke v. State. 117 Ala. 1, 23 South. 071, 67 Am. St. I top. 157; People v. Enoch, 13 Wend. (N. Y.) 167. 27 Am. Dec. 107; Kent v. People, 8 Colo. 5(13. 9 Pac. 852; Com. v. Webster, 5 Cush. (Mass.) 205. 52 Am. Dec. 711; Armstrong v. State. 30 Fla. 170. 11 South. 618. 17 L. R. A. 4S4; U. S. v. Lewis (C. C.) Ill Fed. 632; Nye v. People. 35 Mich. 16. For the distinction between murder and manslaughter and other forms of homicide, see HOMICIDE; MANSLAUGHTER. Common-law definitions. The willful killing of any subject whatever, with malice aforethought, whether the person slain shall be an Englishman or a foreigner. Hawk. P. C. b. 1, c. 13...." - What is MURDER? definition of MURDER (Black's Law Dictionary)

    So, legally and medically speaking, a woman who was injured in a fall (accidental) and so has an abortion (miscarry), is that murder? No.

    So, to continue to ask, "Is abortion murder?" is so broad in scope (undefined) as to include both answers of 'yes' and 'no', depending on definition and situation. It is in effect a useless question (as far as attempting to determine the position of someone). ..."
     
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    Does Roman Catholicism really care about the 'innocent' and the children? Let's see some history (even recent):

    Secret History of the Roman Catholic Church

    Just quoting now, just quoting facts (do not argue with me, argue with the facts, as it wasn't my "ism" that did and does these things):

    "... Crimes Against CHILDREN

    6,000+ Catholic priests abused 16,000+ (known) children since 1950 in America (link)

    500,000 children taken from families, forced into Catholic institutions and abused in Australia from 1930 to 1970 (link)

    4,000+ children sexually abused in Australia since 1980 (link)

    Hundreds of thousands of children abused in Catholic and Protestant 'care homes' in Germany between 1950 to 1970 (link)

    Pope John Paul II ignored the abuse of 2,000 boys in Austria over decades and covered up 'innumerable' cases of abuse (link)

    ONE MILLION men women and children in Croatia tortured and killed by Catholic Church in 1940's (link)

    20,000+ children abused by Catholic Church since 1945 in Netherlands (link)

    150,000 children abused and killed in government and Catholic (plus Anglican) run institutions in Canada from 1876 to 1996 (link and here)

    1,700+ Catholic priests accused of abuse in Brazil (link)

    Catholic Church sends pedophile priests to South American churches (link and here)

    Tens of thousands of children abused by Catholic priests in Ireland between 1930 to 1990 (link)

    10,000+ women abused in Catholic institutions in Ireland between 1920 to 1996 (link)

    Hundreds of Catholic priests abused children in the Philippines between 1980 to 2000 (link)

    800,000 people massacred in Rwanda, with support from Catholic Church in 1994 (link)

    Thousands of children and adults abused in Catholic 'care homes' in Scotland in the 60's and 70's (link)

    300,000 babies stolen from mothers by Catholic Church in Spain between 1930 - 1990 (link)

    Thousands of children tortured and abused in Catholic schools in Switzerland between 1930 to 1970 (link)

    1209 - The Albigensian Crusades in southern France. Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter approximately 20,000 citizens of Beziers, France on July 22, 1209. Both Albigensian Christians and Catholics were slain. By the time the Roman Catholic armies finished their crusade, almost the entire population of southern France (mostly Albigensian Christians) has been exterminated (reference Link 1 and Link 2).

    1236 - Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter Jews in the Anjou and Poitou regions of western France in a severe wave of persecution (reference Link 1 and Link 2).

    1481 - - At the direction of the Roman Catholic inquisitors, authorities torture, burn and slaughter tens, even hundreds of thousands of people during the Spanish Inquisition (Jean Antoine Llorentine, History of the Inquistion; as cited in R.W. Thompson, The Papacy and the Civil Power (New York, 1876); as cited in Dave Hunt, A Woman Rides the Beast).

    1540 - 1570 - Roman Catholic armies butcher at least 900,000 Waldensian Christians of all ages during this 30-year period (source: Halley's Bible Handbook).

    1553 - 1558 - Roman Catholic Queen Mary I of England (aka bloody Mary) attempts to bring England back under the yoke of papal tyranny. During her reign, nearly 300 men and woman are burned to death at the stake. Her victims include bishops, scholars, and other Protestant leaders (Link).

    1572 - St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre. French Roman Catholic soldiers begin killing Protestants in Paris on the night of August 24, 1572. The soldiers kill at least 10,000 Protestants during the first three days. At least 8000 more Protestants are killed as the slaughter spreads to the countryside (Link).

    1618 - 1648 - The Thirty Years War. This bloody, religious war is planned, instigated, and orchestrated by the Roman Catholic Jesuit order and its agents in an attempt to exterminate all the Protestants in Europe. Many countries in central Europe lose up to half their population (see Cushing B. Hassell, History of the Church of God, Chapter XVII).

    1641 - 1649 - Eight years of Jesuit-instigated Roman Catholic butchery of Irish Protestants claims the lives of hundreds of thousands of Protestants (see Cushing B. Hassell, History of the Church of God, Chapter XVII).

    1685 - French Roman Catholic soldiers slaughter approximately 500,000 French Protestant Huguenots on the orders of Roman Catholic King Louis 14 of France.

    1941 - 1945 - The Roman Catholic Ustashi in Yugoslavia butchered Hundreds of thousands of Yugoslav citizens, Serbs, Jews and Roma. And Hundreds of thousands were forced to convert to Catholicism. (link, link, link)

    1949 - 1953 - With the support from the Columbian government, the Roman Catholic Church had 60,000 Protestants and non-Catholics shot, drowned and emasculated. Pope Pius XII awarded the Columbian President with one of the highest awards the church can give.

    [... for more see the statistics sheet:]

    http://www.end-times-prophecy.org/vatican-crimes-children.pdf ..."
     
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    Hopefully, we will get some sort of coherent response to these facts:

    "...
    The Catholic Church is a criminal enterprise and guilty for 600 years of rape and genocide!
    Sep 4, 2018
    TheBurningSpear.com

    The rotten foul stench of the Roman Catholic Church, which holds sway over 1.2 billion members around the world and claims to have an “infallible” link to the mind of god in all matters of faith and morals, can no longer be hidden by the scent of incense burned at Sunday mass.

    As an imperialist criminal enterprise worth billions of dollars of stolen wealth, the bloody hands of the Catholic church can be found in the enslavement of African people, the genocide of the Indigenous people and the continued colonial domination of the majority of humanity by white power.

    Today the Catholic Church, like U.S. imperialism itself, faces a crisis that calls into question its very existence.

    The Catholic Church has historically been the arbiter that parceled out whole peoples and continents and massive resources to European colonizers, including itself.

    It vilifies the actions and struggles of oppressed and colonized people while upholding, obscuring and justifying the rape, murder and exploitation by the white colonizers. Some of the “saints” of the church—such as Father Junipero Serra—are known perpetrators of slaughter and genocide.

    Today as the influence of the church is declining in Europe, 67 percent of its membership is located in Latin America, the Caribbean, Africa and Asia where it remains a strong tool of colonial domination.

    Systemic rape and sexual abuse part of Catholic infrastructure
    Almost daily new accusations of sexual abuse surface implicating the highest echelons church’s hierarchy and the pope himself.

    Splits are erupting inside the Vatican city-state amid calls for resignation of the current pope Francis, just 5 years after the swift exit of the previous imperialist-pedophile pope Benedict XVI, aka Joseph Ratzinger—the first resignation by a pope in 600 years.

    The current pope Francis, formerly known as Archbishop Jorge Bergoglio of Argentina, is portrayed today as a “progressive pope,” because he serves the interests of “liberal” imperialism.

    What is hidden is the fact that in Argentina, Bergoglio was an obedient servant to his imperialist masters working with the U.S. backed military government that came to power there in 1976. Bergoglio supported and covered for death squads, torture and disappearances of thousands of Indigenous and leftist revolutionaries in that period. He was linked to the murders of Catholic priests who worked with the guerrillas.

    During the past month new exposures of the widespread rape, sexual abuse and cover up inside the Church—exposures that have been coming out for the past 30 years or so—make it clear: sexual abuse is not the result of a few bad priests.

    It permeates the structure and hierarchy of the church whose full assets are hidden in its secret Vatican bank, vast wealth coming from centuries of direct participation in the trade in African human beings, the theft of land, gold, silver and resources from around the world and the genocide of Indigenous peoples.

    The crimes of the Catholic church are so deep that an internet search for this article brought up more than 24 million entries.

    The New York Times of Aug. 14, 2018 wrote about the release of a grand jury report on the Catholic church in Pennsylvania:

    “Bishops and other leaders of the Roman Catholic Church in Pennsylvania covered up child sexual abuse by more than 300 priests over a period of 70 years, persuading victims not to report the abuse and law enforcement not to investigate it, according to a searing report issued by a grand jury on Tuesday.

    “The report, which covered six of the state’s eight Catholic dioceses and found more than 1,000 identifiable victims, is the broadest examination yet by a government agency in the United States of child sexual abuse in the Catholic Church. The report said there are likely thousands more victims whose records were lost or who were too afraid to come forward.”

    There are about 2500 priests in about 900 churches in Pennsylvania meaning that 12 percent or about 1 out of every 8 priests in the state is a known pedophile, and that doesn’t even include priests from Philadelphia and Allentown which have already been exposed in previous indictments.

    The New York Times article continues about the priest serial rapists in Pennsylvania:

    “It catalogs horrific instances of abuse: a priest who raped a young girl in the hospital after she had her tonsils out; a victim tied up and whipped with leather straps by a priest; and another priest who was allowed to stay in ministry after impregnating a young girl and arranging for her to have an abortion.

    “The sexual abuse scandal has shaken the Catholic Church for more than 15 years, ever since explosive allegations emerged out of Boston in 2002. But even after paying billions of dollars in settlements and adding new prevention programs, the church has been dogged by a scandal that is now reaching its highest ranks. The Pennsylvania report comes soon after the resignation of Cardinal Theodore E. McCarrick, the former archbishop of Washington, who is accused of sexually abusing young priests and seminarians, as well as minors.

    “Despite some institutional reform, individual leaders of the church have largely escaped public accountability,” the grand jury wrote. “Priests were raping little boys and girls, and the men of God who were responsible for them not only did nothing; they hid it all. For decades.”

    Which means, of course, they are doing the same thing. ..." - The Catholic Church is a criminal enterprise and guilty for 600 years of rape and genocide! – Veterans Today | Military Foreign Affairs Policy Journal for Clandestine Services
     
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    [Continued]

    "... Catholic church rape of colonized children dates back centuries

    The exposures of child rape in the U.S. and Europe are those of white children for the most part.

    The massive role that the Catholic Church played in the colonial genocide, rape, child abuse and terror of the Indigenous people of the Americas for the past 500 years is rarely discussed.

    The Catholic Church played a key role in and profited in this terror which along with the U.S. cavalry and white pioneer volunteer army, systematically wiped out the majority of the Indigenous people in the process of stealing their land and resources throughout North and South America.

    The Catholic missions that dot the coast of California are now tourist sites. These missions are in fact concentration camps surrounded by mass graves of the bodies of Indigenous men, women and children who were enslaved there and brutally abused and murdered by Catholic priests. By 1818, 81 percent of the enslaved Indigenous people forced into the missions died there.

    When a leading perpetrator of genocide, Father Junipero Serra, the Catholic priest of the 18th century who created 21 of the Spanish mission camps from San Francisco to San Diego was sainted in 2015, there was huge outcry from Indigenous people.

    As the UK Guardian wrote at the time of Serra’s sainthood:

    “Opponents point out that, from the time Serra arrived in 1769, the native population was ravaged by European diseases, including syphilis spread by marauding Spanish soldiers. Indians brought into the missions were not allowed to leave, and if they tried they were shackled and severely beaten.

    “They were used as forced labour to build out the Mission’s farming projects. They were fed atrociously, separated from close family members and packed into tight living quarters that often became miasmas of disease and death.

    “When the Native Americans rebelled, which they did on at least two occasions, their rebellions were put down in brutal fashion. When Native American women were caught trying to abort babies conceived through rape, the mission fathers had them beaten for days on end, clamped them in irons, had their heads shaved and forced them to stand at the church altar every Sunday carrying a painted wooden child in their arms.”

    Another front of the genocide against the Indigenous people were the “residential” or “boarding” schools, the Catholic church’s concentration camps for children in place in the U.S. and Canada from the 1770s to 1997—over 220 years.

    In Canada at least 150,000 Indigenous children were stolen from their families in the last century alone and then subjected to beatings, banning of their language and religions and sexual and verbal abuse in the camps.

    According to the UK Guardian article on March 28, 2018, “up to 6,000 are said to have died [in the past century alone]. Almost two-thirds of the 130 schools were run by the Catholic church.”

    After Indigenous people of Canada demanded a response from the Catholic church for these crimes, pope Francis firmly stated that he “will not apologize to the survivors of Canada’s Indian residential schools for the role the Roman Catholic Church played in operating the institutions or the abuses suffered there,” according to the Guardian article.

    Catholic Church played major role in trade in African people
    Neither pope Francis nor any other pope has ever called for reparations to African people.

    The Guardian newspaper reported that in 2015 on a trip to Kenya the pope supposedly denounced “a new form of colonialism” while speaking to one of Nairobi’s most impoverished neighborhoods. He never mentioned the horrors of direct white power European colonialism which is the basis for the wealth and power of U.S. imperialism and the Catholic church.

    The Church was heavily involved in the kidnapping and sale of African people and in the colonial genocidal policies of African people but made no condemnation of slavery until the year 1890, years after abolition in most of the capitalist nations.

    Rev. Robert Scully, SJ, assistant professor of history at Le Moyne College in Syracuse stated in an article from the Guardian, “From the New Testament period on, the Church generally accepted slavery as a ‘natural’ part of socio-economic reality, or spoke of it as a necessary evil,” he explained.

    “… Certain Jesuit provinces owned slaves into the 18th and even the 19th centuries.” a UK Guardian article wrote in 2006.

    This reality came to light in 2016 when it was exposed that Georgetown University, the Jesuit institution in Washington, DC, had used an 1838 sale of 272 African people to finance their college.

    According to the New York Times:

    “At Georgetown, slavery and scholarship were inextricably linked. The college relied on Jesuit plantations in Maryland to help finance its operation, university officials say. (Slaves were often donated by prosperous parishioners.) And the 1838 sale—worth about 3.3 million in today’s dollars—was organized by two of Georgetown’s early presidents, both Jesuit priests.”

    When slavery was abolished in the Caribbean, the Catholic Church was granted millions of dollars for the loss of their enslaved “property”.

    In the Belgian Congo, Catholic and other missionaries were pivotal in stealing African boys and, as with Indigenous children in the U.S., putting them into boarding schools where they were tortured, abused and made to relinquish their native tongue to speak French.

    As King Leopold of Belgium (who was Roman Catholic) slaughtered 10 million of our people in the early 20th century in a program to turn Congo into a giant rubber plantation that served the burgeoning automobile industry in America and Europe. The Catholic church played the role to force Christianity onto those Africans who survived Leopold’s genocide to complete the colonization process.

    Today as the Congo continues to be plundered and raped by colonial powers, there are about 35 million African people in the Congo who are members of the Catholic Church.

    The filthy Catholic church must go: Liberate Africa and African people everywhere!
    As Chairman Omali Yeshitela, leader of the African People’s Socialist Party and the African Socialist International has stated:

    “The Catholic church is a whole criminal enterprise. You’re talking about imperialism with so much moral authority that it can condemn African children living in housing projects to poverty, prison and colonial violence imposed on them by this social system but the rapists and colonizers walk free.

    “If the Catholic church were a black or Korean or Mexican organization they’d initiate missile strikes on it.

    “The Catholic church is white power, white nationalism, white people—christians, who have the power to condemn young Africans to the worst conditions. The Catholic church and christianity contributes to ability of governments to kill us and starve us in this country and around the world. They make us the examples of moral deficiency, the “superpredators,” and criminals, while the church is raping children and these churches are the ones who define our morality. They are the rapists and how many people have they condemned to poverty, suffering, war and death?”

    This is why we have no choice but to fight for our independence, self-government and state power over our lives. We must seize back our stolen resources, land and the value of our stolen labor. We must write our own narrative, condemn the cesspool of the Catholic church to its place in white people’s hell and liberate Africa and all her children. ..." - The Catholic Church is a criminal enterprise and guilty for 600 years of rape and genocide! – Veterans Today | Military Foreign Affairs Policy Journal for Clandestine Services
     
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    Can't you read the writing on the wall, as it was in the days of Daniel? No? I will tell you then ... Babylon is fallen, is fallen ... "Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."





     
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    All that smack, but Alofa Atu........

    Is Abortion Murder?
     
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    Such lies. Our clergy marched with Dr. King and the church as a whole has always condemned racism.
     
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    This "Dr. King"???

     
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    Answered you already, see above.

    Can I ask you, what would you have done differently here:

    "How the death of Savita Halappanavar revolutionised Ireland ...

    Ms Halappanavar presented at Galway University Hospital with severe back pain on October 21st, 2012, and was found to be miscarrying her 17-week pregnancy. ...

    On the third day she spontaneously delivered a female foetus and went into a coma, before being transferred to the high-dependency unit and then intensive care, where she deteriorated into septic shock, multiple organ failure and died of cardiac arrest at 1.09am on October 28th, 2012. ..." - How the death of Savita Halappanavar revolutionised Ireland

    All she needed was an early delivery.
     
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