We'll see, won't we ? Prediction; Ron Paul gets about 2-5 % of GOP votes. (And that's generous) The conventional wisdom in cyber-space is Ron Paul supporters have been acting like babies who've had their bottles taken away. I don't expect you to like it, and to be honest, I don't like it, either. Dr. Paul would probably be better off without the kind of spamming that is going on, and without that hateful anti-Christian site prison planet.
Saying Paul supporters have been acting like girl scouts is just not true. And he isn't the only hope for anything. I hate how he's being lifted as our only hope. It's bordering on worship. It's bad craziness.
The bottom line fact is, polls have been spammed, warnings have been given & ignored, and Paul's supporters are hurting him. He will never be president, good or bad, that's just how it is.
Ron Paul Odds Slashed Dramatically: 15 to 1 from 200 to 1
Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Rufus_1611, May 31, 2007.
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Bro. Curtis <img src =/curtis.gif>Site Supporter
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You keep syaing this, but giving no proof.
Just because you continually say something over and over doesn't mean it's true.
Hannity was already making these accusations about Paul supporters before the Fox news poll was halfway through. He, just like you, had no idea what was really causing the vast support for Dr. Paul, and it wasn't spammers.
Personally, I think Giuliani's campaign is full of spammer. His actual ranking is -26%, but that one darn spammer keeps hijacking all the phone interviews.:rolleyes:
I wish all you self proclaimed conservatives could get over the fact that a majority of Americans actually agree with Dr. Paul's message.
No offense to him, but you all are beginning to sound like poncho with your "the spammers are coming" conspiracy theories. -
Both Ron Paul and Obamma are using the Internet better than any other candidate. This is only the third presidential election since people have started really using the World Wide Web, and the first with broadband widely available, and the Internet is playing a huge role in this election.
I don't expect Ron Paul to win the GOP nomination, the GOP leadership picked their guy Rudy over three years ago, any conservative candidates don't stand a chance with the GOP.
I hope Bloomburg runs like he has stated, with his owns billions to finance his campaign it should make for an interesting election, just think three New York Liberals in one national debate. :)
I believe Jerome Corsi will be running for the Constitution Party when the GOP finishes getting their Liberal the GOP nomination. -
If we want to see a third party candidate with a chance to win, this is the election cycle for it, if Guiliani gets the nomination.
All the Libertarian party has to do is convince Thompson to run on their ticket.
Then, the liberal vote would be split between the dems and pubs, instead of the conservative vote being split. -
Vote with God's morals and let the chips fall where they may. I only need worry about my vote counting before God at my judgment. I need not worry if the one elected is a reprobate or not. God is in control! :thumbs:
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Maybe we should ask it this way. Is my vote so cheap that I will vote for abortionist A over abortionist B to keep party B out of power, or am I going to stand up for what I know is right, and vote for a person who stands for Christian values? We havent seen that kind of person in office lately, have we?
One day we will give account for our votes, and sad to say, I will give account for the last two elections voting for George. Never again. -
We are to trust God will put the people in office that furthers His plan and whatever comes our way His grace is sufficient to see us through! -
Does the Lord want us to just pray or has He given us these rights to vote and possibly take action to make a difference? What about the story the Lord spoke about telling someone pray ye be warm and fed but sending them off without helping them? What about those babies being murdered everyday in the womb? Could you possibly help them by voting for candidates that would help stop this blood shed? Or should we just pray? What if there would be enough people like you voting, would things then change? What is it, about 40-50% actually vote in this country? I pray that most of them are not Christians without hands and feet.
God Bless!
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If I was going to vote it certainly wouldn't be for a Christian. The reason being is why would I want to put a brother or sister into a government that is under the authority of Satan at this time. I would be doing my brother or sister a HUGE disservice by doing such.
Want to help a brother or sister out? Tell them to get out of politics while the gettin is good :) -
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So I think there is plenty of Scriptural support to stay out. Is there a verse that says don't vote. No.
Our fight is not with flesh and blood, but with the principalities and the power of the air. Our fight is not on the physical earth. So while it is TERRIBLY tragic that there are this many babies being killed - and that is what it is - we aren't going to change this through the political system.
There is already laws on the books that say you can't kill people, but that's not stopping anyone.
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I think most people would acknowledge that most politicians have lost their focus on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, to one degree or another. At least most would agree that there are problems in Washington. Rather than have another politician that would sink into the mire of wasted funds, un-Constitutional programs and spending, Paul presents a refreshingly different image. Basically, I am trying to explain why people say he's the only hope, but I'm not sure I'm doing a good job of it. :)
The analogy that comes to mind is like someone who's needed glasses for years and didn't know it. They know that there is a little bit of a problem with their vision. But it's not until they get their glasses and put them on for the first time that they realize how bad their vision was to begin with. And then they walk around pointing out to everyone how far away they can stand from a sign and still read it, or continually remark for a few days how clear everything is, to the point of sounding ridiculous, but it doesn't change the fact that they really can see much more clearly.
So with Ron Paul, people know many politicians have lost their focus, but now someone different has come along, someone who truly means what he says when he talks about the importance of following the Constitution. (I have never seen any footage of Ron Paul in which I consider him to be anything but a gentleman in his dealings with others.) So his supporters are like the people who got new glasses. They now see a man who clearly stands for the Constitution, and so now they are telling everyone about it, in an effort to try to get the word out because they understand how great the end result would be if he actually made it into the White House.
And, slightly off-topic, but I just wondered what made prison planet an anti-Christian site? I can understand if you don't like it, or if you'd say you thought the tone of it was overdone, or something specific like that, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I just didn't think it could justifiably be called anti-Christian, especially when they are putting out videos opposing the occult, and both the site owner and the site manager have publicly stated that they are Christians (though I am fully aware of the fact that not everyone who claims to be a Christian truly is).
(Please know that this whole post is meant to be interpreted by the reader as having been written with a calm, explaining-my-side & view type of tone.) :) And I do wish all readers to have a good day! :) -
Acts 22:25-27
25 And as they bound him with thongs, Paul said unto the centurion that stood by, Is it lawful for you to scourge a man that is a Roman, and uncondemned?
26 When the centurion heard that, he went and told the chief captain, saying, Take heed what thou doest: for this man is a Roman.
27 Then the chief captain came, and said unto him, Tell me, art thou a Roman? He said, Yea.
Acts 25:10-11
10 Then said Paul, I stand at Caesar's judgment seat, where I ought to be judged: to the Jews have I done no wrong, as thou very well knowest.
11 For if I be an offender, or have committed any thing worthy of death, I refuse not to die: but if there be none of these things whereof these accuse me, no man may deliver me unto them. I appeal unto Caesar.
I think that we may appeal unto the Constitution without apology, and exercise those freedoms that God has given us. But we will certainly have to account for how we use those freedoms, as with everything else. -
However voting is going above taking advantage of being a citizen and trying to place "your" influence on the political scene, when God said it is HE that will place the ruler HE wants in those positions. If God is going to place whomever He chooses why do we need to be bothered with the matter?
Politics is not going to change anything. One need just look at the system today. A friend of mine used to say that if a republican is elected they turn into a democrat and if a democrat is elected they turn into a republican meaning that basically nothing of any real substance gets done.
Why don't we just let God handle what He said He was going to handle and put our efforts into the "real" fight, which is not of this physical world?
Few conservative Christians would have voted or actually did place their vote for Bill Clinton in either race. So therefore what we have is a group of "Christians" that were voting "against" God Himself. God wanted Bill Clinton to be president, despite the person "Christians" voted for or Clinton wouldn't have become president.
So do you think it's going to be a positive situation when Judgment Day comes when people have to answer for why they voted against God? Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me.
If Hiliary Clinton or Obama or Edwards or whatever Democrat wins the election and conservative Christians vote for the "other" guy do you think that is going to be a positive when they voted against the person God wanted at that time?
If God said He is going to place the leader then I don't need to be concerned with it, because my vote is meaningless. It's useless. -
America is a unique situation in which the leader is chosen by the people. I certainly don't think it is wrong to not participate in voting, in fact I have never voted previously for precisely the reasons you have presented. I don't vote for the lesser of two evils. But in the event that something or someone worth voting for comes along, I don't see how one can say it is evil because we are trying to influence the government of our city/state/country. What would have happened to Mordechai and the jews if Esther had refused to influence the politics in Shushan?
1 Corinthians 7:21 Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather.
If we may be kept free by voting, how can we say it is wrong? I wouldn't bother voting in an election between Rudy McRomney and Hillary Hussein. But if I have a chance to help a man like Ron Paul get in to office, how can I know that it isn't God's will that I vote for him? Now if there is some secret about Ron Paul that I need to know about that would cause me to reconsider supporting him, I pray that God would reveal it to me. Then I will go back to sleep. -
Again what happens when you place your vote for Ron Paul and someone else wins the election and now you have voted against God's chosen person? -
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We didn't see Paul and Peter trying to change the sytem in Rome even though their life was required of them unjustly. They weren't calling for change in the political system. And the Roman system had opportunties for citizens to participate.
Again our fight is not in this political realm. God says He is going to put the leader in place that He wants despite what I think, so again I'm just failing to see the purpose in why I need to be involved in something that God said He's going to take care of. -
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The Bible does tell us to obey our government, support its laws and officials. It seems to me with that admonition, with most countries around the world past and present not having the right to vote, if it is not a sin , it seems like it ought to be to squander that right.
Not only exercise that right, but I believe we will be held accountable for the votes we cast on a secular basis vs a spiritual basis. The votes that haunt me the most are the one for Jimmy Carter in 1976 and George Bush in 2000 and 2004. The votes for Nixon do not even bother me like those three.
2008 will be a test of character, I think. Will most Christians vote for an abortionist like Giuliani or a flip flopper like Romney with no moral bearing to beat whichever liberal democrat, or will they vote their convictions and turn to a Godly third party candidate?
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