It is you who sadly has no clue what I believe. Even after I give explanations.
Sanctification precedes regeneration.
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by 37818, Nov 25, 2022.
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Martin Marprelate Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
This post is probably shorter than it should be, but I am suffering with back pain at present and am finding it uncomfortable to sit at my laptop. -
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Martin Marprelate Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
The Puritan John Owen tackled these verses head on in his book, "The Nature and Causes of Apostasy from the Gospel," available as a Banner of Truth Puritan Paperback. All I will say here is that nothing is said in Hebrews 6:4-5 that cannot be said of the Israelites who came out of Egypt. They had true experiences of God that were not saving experiences - led by the pillar of fire and cloud, they walked across the Red Sea on dry ground; they drank from the Rock, ate the manna, fed on the quail and even heard the very voice of God. But their characters were not changed, they died in unbelief and never experienced God's rest. Read Hebrews 3:16-19 and 1 Corinthians 10:1-12.
"He that endures to the end shall be saved." God's elect will persevere, but it is also necessary that they do. 1 Corinthians 10:12. But if God has sanctified you, set you apart in Christ, then you will persevere and 'do works befitting repentance.' -
Martin Marprelate Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
The writer to the Hebrews has already promised that weak Christians can find grace in time of need, and that failing Christians can find mercy at the throne of grace (Hebrews 4:14-16.
1 When I fear my faith will fail,
Christ will hold me fast;
When the tempter would prevail,
He can hold me fast!
Refrain:
He will hold me fast,
He will hold me fast;
For my Savior loves me so,
He will hold me fast.
2 I could never keep my hold,
On life's thorny path;
For my love is often cold,
He must hold me fast. [Refrain]
3 I am precious in His sight,
He will hold me fast;
Those He saves are His delight,
He will hold me fast. [Refrain]
4 He'll not let my soul be lost,
Christ will hold me fast;
Bought by Him at such a cost,
He will hold me fast. [Refrain]
Amen.
Ada Habershon
Source: The New National Baptist Hymnal (21st Century Edition) -
Silverhair Well-Known Member
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If the reader does not understand that Hebrews is a sermon to a Jewish congregation and that in any congregation you have both the regenerate and unregenerate person hearing the sermon, you will not understand what the preacher is telling this congregation. You will, erroneously, think the preacher is saying that Christians can lose their salvation. This is hardly the case as the preacher makes abundantly clear in the context of the whole.
*Hebrews 10:19-39*
Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the holy places by the blood of Jesus, by the new and living way that he opened for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh, and since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is faithful. And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near. For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. But recall the former days when, after you were enlightened, you endured a hard struggle with sufferings, sometimes being publicly exposed to reproach and affliction, and sometimes being partners with those so treated. For you had compassion on those in prison, and you joyfully accepted the plundering of your property, since you knew that you yourselves had a better possession and an abiding one. Therefore do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward. For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised. For, “Yet a little while, and the coming one will come and will not delay; but my righteous one shall live by faith, and if he shrinks back, my soul has no pleasure in him.” But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who have faith and preserve their souls. -
Silverhair Well-Known Member
Martin I noted that you quoted Christ "He that endures to the end shall be saved." But the context shows the conditionality of that endurance. Mark 13:13 And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved. ESV
The apostles at that time nor us now are being told that God will carry us through rather we are told that as long as we hold firm to the truth we will be saved. In other words Christ is saying do not fall away from the truth and you will be saved. -
Silverhair Well-Known Member
SNATCH To seize without permission; To seize and transport away
We are seeing many fall away from the true faith to follow teachers that tickle their ears.
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly states that in later times some will abandon the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons,
1Ti 4:2 influenced by the hypocrisy of liars, whose consciences are seared with a hot iron. -
And to deny never, that is, not in any way G3364 to perish, verse 27. -
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Look at the context of this verse.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
Heb 10:29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who
{1} has trampled the Son of God underfoot,
{2} counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing,
{3 }and insulted the Spirit of grace?
Those that have heard the gospel message and rejected it will have no other means of salvation Heb 10:26
Those that try to live under the law of Moses are condemned. Heb 10:28
Those that have trusted in Christ and then repudiate Him will suffer even greater punishment. Heb 10:29
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