When religious Liberals announce they do not believe the Bible (as they MUST do in an attempt to validate their ungodly ideas and wicked agendas), is the literal word of God, they are actively participating in doctrines of demons (1 Timothy 4:1). It seems to me that if Satan can cast doubt (did God really say?) on the written Word, that battle then, is already won. We know Satan ultimately loses the war and is already defeated (Colossians 2:15), but he still wages war on the saints of God (Revelation 12:17). I would put forth that casting doubt on the historicity, authenticity, authority, and divine inspiration of the Holy Bible is Satan's primary and most effective strategy against the Church universal. When Satan can sucessfully cast doubt on the plenary inspiration of the scriptures, as we have seen in the world around us and even in the "church," anything goes.
If homosexuality then, becomes an acceptable behavior, what of polygamy? Bestiality? Sex with children? Incest? Where does it logically end? To be logically consistent, there is no end to the depravity men may participate in when Biblical prohibitions of certain behaviors are nullified by the neutering of Biblical inspiration.
The Bible is true
Russ <><
Satan's stragegy to discredit the Bible.
Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by new man, Jun 7, 2003.
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I agree with you, Russ. Keep in mind that the two-pronged approach that Satan used with Eve was
"Did God REALLY say...."
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"Think for yourself...."
A dangerous combination when one is encouraged to 'think for oneself' as opposed to the Word of God.
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I agree, satan will use every trick he has to casue doubt in God's word, or misunderstanding of it. Anyhting to draw people away from God's wor d, or away from following it. Many today are fooled by satan, thats obvious when you look at some of the stuff going on in christianity today.
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Probably the biggest and most recent statement I hear these days,"Only the Originals in Hebrew and Greek are inspired. Since we don't have them to reference, then we cannot say any version is inspired."
This statement can only lead to fully doubting whether we have the Word of God or not. Therefore, it is the voice of satan, because this very same intent was laid upon Eve in the Garden of Eden; Genesis 3:1.
Are we still wonder why we have so many "versions" being placed before the eyes of the church and the world.
Thank God for the King James Bible!
Brother Ricky -
Quote from ITNAC,:probably the biggest and most recent statement I hear these days,"Only the Originals in Hebrew and Greek are inspired. Since we don't have them to reference, then we cannot say any version is inspired."
Didn't the King James translators say that too?
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I think just about all the statements about the bible, bad version, best version, only one real version, you gotta have this, or that, or you can't count that,are all from satan . Because they cast doubt o the bible, can any bible possible be real(?), or believeable(?), are any of them from God? It causes confussion and dissention, and only satan can want thiis for the body of Christ, this is not from God.
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Quote from Artimaeus
Here's something to consider concerning your statements:
2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
I'm sorry, but I find your remarks haven't taken in consideration the preceeding passage.
In Christ,
Brother Ricky -
The reason I didn't take 2 Peter 1:20 into consideration is because it has nothing to do with what I was saying. It is a very true statement, just not germane to the subject.
I do not doubt what God said.
I do not doubt what God told men to write down that He said.
I do not doubt what those men actually wrote down.
I had better be wise enough to doubt what somebody else says about those writings.
Satan's intent was not to get Eve to doubt the KJV, his intent was to get her to doubt God. I believe that, because, that is what God said happened. You seem to be wanting me to think that God = KJV. I do not believe that KJV = God because YOU (generic again) say so. I do not believe anything because someone tells me. I believe God and when He tells me to put my full trust in a specific version I will and nowhere in His Word does He say to do so. -
The reason I didn't take 2 Peter 1:20 into consideration is because it has nothing to do with what I was saying. It is a very true statement, just not germane to the subject.
I do not doubt what God said.
I do not doubt what God told men to write down that He said.
I do not doubt what those men actually wrote down.
I had better be wise enough to doubt what somebody else says about those writings.
Satan's intent was not to get Eve to doubt the KJV, his intent was to get her to doubt God. I believe that, because, that is what God said happened. You seem to be wanting me to think that God = KJV. I do not believe that KJV = God because YOU (generic again) say so. I do not believe anything because someone tells me. I believe God and when He tells me to put my full trust in a specific version I will and nowhere in His Word does He say to do so. -
As we carefully study the seven churches, we note that Satan has tried bringing great persecutions in the past; these did not destroy the church.
Satan has tried using less persecutions and more false doctrine mixed with the truth; this worked more effectively.
Satan is using prosperity, selfishness, false doctrine, and lukewarm preaching mixed with the truth; this has almost destroyed the church. This is the Laodicean church.
It needs to be repeated that there is not one good thing mentioned about the Laodicean church from the words of Jesus.
About Eve:
NOW THE SERPENT (which is also called Satan, the devil, and Lucifer) WAS MORE SUBTILE (or crafty) THAN ANY BEAST (or wild animal) OF THE FIELD WHICH THE LORD GOD HAD MADE. AND HE SAID UNTO THE WOMAN, YEA, HATH GOD SAID (or did God really say), YE SHALL NOT EAT OF EVERY TREE OF THE GARDEN?-Gen 3:1. The serpent, which is also called Satan, now begins a process of causing Eve to be confused, deceived, to doubt what God had said, and to ultimately cause her to disobey God’s command. We hear that same voice today in our thoughts. Also note that the serpent did not use God’s Words in this case, but rather used an evasive and deceptive approach, by saying, "HATH GOD SAID?" Then he used the words, "YE SHALL NOT EAT OF EVERY TREE OF THE GARDEN?" As the serpent spoke, he did not call God, Lord God (or Jehovah God), but addressed Him only as God, perhaps, trying to belittle Jehovah God in her thinking. From the first three words, "HATH GOD SAID," it can be seen that the serpent is an enemy of God. He is attempting to bring doubt toward the Word of God. He is challenging God’s Word. He begins with a question to open the conversation. It is as if he wants you to know something, but it is really the beginning of a deception. It was intended to cause doubt in the woman’s mind. God is not the author of confusion, but Satan is-ref l Cor 14:33. Thus, we have the beginning of the serpent’s attack, causing the woman to doubt, to be confused, and to be deceived. Eve did not understand the deceptive and crafty ways of the devil. She did not perceive him as a threat. It is the same with most people today. The woman should have turned away, but she did not. She chose to enter into a dialogue with the serpent. That dialogue proved to be a great mistake. She did not realize that the devil was her enemy. The serpent also seems to be implying that God is too demanding and overbearing, and that He does not really love the woman, because she could eat of every tree, except one. Surely, if God really loved her, He would give her everything she wanted.
AND THE WOMAN SAID UNTO THE SERPENT, WE MAY EAT OF THE FRUIT OF THE TREES OF THE GARDEN: BUT OF THE FRUIT OF THE TREE WHICH IS IN THE MIDST OF THE GARDEN, GOD HATH SAID, YE SHALL NOT EAT OF IT, NEITHER SHALL YE TOUCH IT, LEST YE DIE-Gen 3:2,3. Note confusion as to what God said seems to be setting in. In her thoughts, she must have begun to question God’s Word. Eve stated certain words, which are not recorded that God said, such as, NEITHER SHALL YE TOUCH IT. Her response to the serpent was a general impression of what she believed God had said, rather than God’s exact words. It may also be noted that she said, "YE SHALL NOT EAT OF IT...LEST YE DIE." God had said, "THOU SHALT SURELY DIE." Her reply, "Lest ye die," does not seem to carry the force that God’s Word had conveyed. Her way of replying may indicate that her belief and trust in God and His Word was like a wave; however, she did fear God’s judgment. Thus, if Satan was to be successful in causing her to disobey God, he needed to eliminate the fear of God’s judgment, which is death. Satan had won the first round.
The serpent accomplished the fall of mankind with approximately 46 words, as given in the KJV Bible. -
I believe that casting doubt on scripture as true and the inspired word of God is, by far, Satan's most effective weapon against us. It can cause a sort of cancer that consumes or corrupts faith. It can be a huge stumbling block to witnessing to others who cannot or will not accept scriptural authority, as well.
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And thank God for the NKJV, NASB, NIV, and ESV!
Wow, I didn't think this discussion would spill over to here. I guess the Versions forum is not big enough to contain it. :D
Neal -
The KJV is just that: a version. A version is an approximation since a translation can never convey the original nuance of all the words since language is imperfect in that there is not a one-to-one word correspondence from the Bible languages of the originals into any other receptor language on earth.
Problems do occur. For instance "God forbid" is attributed to Paul in the KJV in many places where no koine manuscript copy on earth has him saying those exact words.
The KJV is the Word of God by derivation.
It is derived from original manuscripts which were preserved in faithful copies of those manuscripts.
There remains some work to be done to determine which of the "families" of the copies are faithful (and to what degree) to the originals. Until then one must by faith choose which Bible represents most accurately The original Word of God. The total dispute of words in the "families" can be resolved down to about 2%.
as to the proliferation of translations, even the KJV translators had this to say:
Therefore, according to the KJV translators, the KJV, RSV, NIV, NAS, NAB, etc., are all the Word of God.
They also said:
So according to the wisdom of these men we should purchase as many varieties of translations as we can individually afford for comparison and the "finding out the sense of the Scriptures" whether they be "mean" or not.
HankD
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It's funny how quickly these threads can digress. I'm prone to do the same thing.
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Therefore, according to the KJV translators, the KJV, RSV, NIV, NAS, NAB, etc., are all the Word of God.
They also said:
So according to the wisdom of these men we should purchase as many varieties of translations as we can individually afford for comparison and the "finding out the sense of the Scriptures" whether they be "mean" or not.
HankD </font>[/QUOTE]Hank, I'm sorry, but you really do need to go back and read the quote from the KJB translators, they weren't saying they didn't have the Word of God, but the "theirs' wasn't complete and the KJB translators have the Word of God.
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In any event, I beg to differ ITNAC, it is you my brother who needs to read the KJV prologue quote.
If they believed that the other translations were NOT the Word of God (Geneva, Tyndale, Coverdale, Bishop’s Bible - all of which were know in England as The Word of God) why do they suggest that the advice of St. Augustine concerning these other translations are of value to learn the “sense” of the Scriptures?
Simply saying that they did not mean what they plainly said does not change what they plainly said.
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In any event, I beg to differ ITNAC, it is you my brother who needs to read the KJV prologue quote.
If they believed that the other translations were NOT the Word of God (Geneva, Tyndale, Coverdale, Bishop’s Bible - all of which were know in England as The Word of God) why do they suggest that the advice of St. Augustine concerning these other translations are of value to learn the “sense” of the Scriptures?
Simply saying that they did not mean what they plainly said does not change what they plainly said.
HankD </font>[/QUOTE]They plainly said the previous compilations were incomplete and not fully the Word of God. :rolleyes: -
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