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donnA

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Amy.G said:
Disagreeing with the President's policies is not hostility or racism.
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How foolish for people to dumb to know better to keep saying disagreeing with obama is racism, unless that same person agrees with abortion and killing our seniors becasue they are worthless.
 
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rbell

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SeekingTruth said:
:applause::applause::applause::applause:
I agree. Only those who have problems with dissent stoop to such charges.
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Given billwald's radical union views...I would say he does have problems with dissent.

Hence the vapid, immature, and illogical post.
 
Crabtownboy

Crabtownboy

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From the responses so far it appears that no one who has responded read the article linked in the OP. Obama is no mentioned in the article and no where in the entire issue is the word dissent used. Read the article to see what is being said!
 
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Joseph M. Smith

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I have no idea how references to the President were even intuited by the original poster. Akin's message does not reference the President at all.

Let's not, however, lose sight of the importance of what Akin is saying. Racial separation is still the norm in a great many of our churches. Diversity is not something that just happens; there needs to be intentional evangelism in the congregation. I remember asking my people one Sunday something like, "How many of you have seen that new neighbor moving in, looking different from most of us, and have thought, 'Oh, they wouldn't want to come to our church, because they are ........ white, black, Asian, Hispanic, poor, rich, whatever."

I do object to something in Akins' speech, however. He characterizes Washington as a city almost bereft of evangelical influence and in need of church planting. Not so! About 500 Baptist churches in the city and immediate surroundings! Yes, many are storefronts, pastored by people with little training. But they are there, and they are overwhelmingly evangelical.
 
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targus

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Crabtownboy said:
From the responses so far it appears that no one who has responded read the article linked in the OP. Obama is no mentioned in the article and no where in the entire issue is the word dissent used. Read the article to see what is being said!
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Which article?

The link is to a newsletter or something that is 20 pages long with numerous articles - none of which have a title remotely suggesting anything like the OP.

I for one don't care to look for a needle in a haystack.

How about directing us to the page and title?

Or did you not read it either?
 
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Crabtownboy

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targus said:
Which article?

The link is to a newsletter or something that is 20 pages long with numerous articles - none of which have a title remotely suggesting anything like the OP.

I for one don't care to look for a needle in a haystack.

How about directing us to the page and title?

Or did you not read it either?
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Try page 5 of the newsletter.
 
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targus

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Crabtownboy said:
Try page 5 of the newsletter.
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Got it - thank you.

Is it Akin's belief that SBC churches keep out persons of color?

It appears that he is advocating a quota system for SBC churches.

His final sentence reveals his problem - "...we must pursue a vision for our churches that looks like heaven."

In heaven there will be no "color".

Perhaps Akin should become more like God and not look at a person's color.
 
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Revmitchell

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Churches are segregated. I pastored a small church in south central Florida that was all white in a neighborhood that had changed from anglo to hispanic. It was a small rural community with nothing but orange groves, cattle ranches, and a walmart. The white folks did not want to mix, the hispanics did not want to mix, and the blacks did not want to mix. And in each case refusal to do so centered on worship style. Often the segregation is not about skin color but life style. No one wants their style infringed upon in any way.

I tried to get a small hispanic church that was about to close their doors to come join us but they would rather disban because of worship style.
 
Crabtownboy

Crabtownboy

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targus said:
Got it - thank you.

Is it Akin's belief that SBC churches keep out persons of color?

It appears that he is advocating a quota system for SBC churches.

His final sentence reveals his problem - "...we must pursue a vision for our churches that looks like heaven."

In heaven there will be no "color".

Perhaps Akin should become more like God and not look at a person's color.
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It seemed to me the article is not well written. It seems to contradict itself from one paragraph to another. I'll read it again when I have more time.
 
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Robert Snow

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I attend a SBC church which is mostly white. I don't know what we are supposed to do to make our church more diverse. We will allow any person, regardless of race to attend and worship, but they choose not to attend.

I believe Revmitchell said it best, it's a cultural difference, not a racial one that is in play here.
 
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billwald

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> Akin's message does not reference the President at all.

Agree.

>I have no idea how references to the President were even intuited by the original poster.

Seems intuitive that people who only have a white circle of friends and church members would have an instinctive distrust of a black person even if he was our president.

Personally, we had black teenager living with us for 2 years. He was more polite than my own kids. I worked in Seattle's International District (Chinatown) for 15 years and never had a problem getting along with the local people.
 
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targus

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billwald said:
Seems intuitive that people who only have a white circle of friends and church members would have an instinctive distrust of a black person even if he was our president.
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Intuition is largely based on personal experience. Are you projecting perhaps?
 
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windcatcher

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Revmitchell said:
Churches are segregated. I pastored a small church in south central Florida that was all white in a neighborhood that had changed from anglo to hispanic. It was a small rural community with nothing but orange groves, cattle ranches, and a walmart. The white folks did not want to mix, the hispanics did not want to mix, and the blacks did not want to mix. And in each case refusal to do so centered on worship style. Often the segregation is not about skin color but life style. No one wants their style infringed upon in any way.

I tried to get a small hispanic church that was about to close their doors to come join us but they would rather disban because of worship style.
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I can relate to this. I've attended black churches when out of town (well, I was driving a truck at the time and had to accepted whatever was convienient). I was able to 'enjoy' the service (which is not the reason to go to church) and participate in the worship and receive the preaching of the gospel. However, some of the music I was not familiar with and the familiar hymns had so much 'soul' that either in tempo or in key I had difficulty joining in: As far as fellowship, I both felt accepted as a Christian, welcomed to participate and join in and was encouraged to return......... Sometimes we have black visitors at my church and I do what I can to welcome and invite a return...... even suggest a place to dine afterwards (I'm single and seldom cook and don't entertain.) But most of these visitors are from out of town and are already connected to someone in our church with whom they are visiting.

A local IBC was instrumental in sponsoring an out reach for a growing spanish population: At first it was conceived as being one but the differences in language crossover between the spanish and english made it better to divide the services into distinct and separate times so each could have a service in the language of his own understanding. After a while, the spanish church grew sufficient to purchase and obtain a place of their own to meet. A cordial relationship continues between the two congregations but I don't think they make opportunities to worship together nor join for a community outreach or revival as was anticipated in the beginning.
 
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targus

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windcatcher said:
I can relate to this. I've attended black churches when out of town..
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Ditto. Once a year I travel quite a distance to attend a Mexican church just for the enjoyment of it.

Libs love to project their personal prejudices onto others don't they?
 
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