My state now looks at it that way. We just passed a voucher bill. Because it is in the news I have some numbers. The avg family pays $3800 per student in school. The avg amount for a voucher will be $2000 that leaves 1,800 dollers in the public school for each student that is removed to go to a private school.
There are very few regulations this new law imposes on private schools. They are all reasonable and ensure that the school is legitimate. Private schools already comply with state regulations like fire code. It does not change what is taught.
It is your money. You pay for goverment services like roads.
My kid has been in two private schools. The first had a tuition under $3,000 for elementry school students. The one we are in now has a tuition under $5,000. There are schools that are more expensive some up to $30,000 but the majority fall between $3,000 and $8,000 a 2 to 3,000 voucher will cover most of the tuition.
The bill we just passed has a voucher amount based on income. Familys making $37,000 or less get the whole $3000. The low end is $500. Like I say the avg family will qualify for $2000
It may be a good idea for them. But should in no way be manditory.
School Vouchers
Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by kmdiva, Feb 12, 2007.
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If a Pell Grant pays for tuition, what's the difference (other than financial need) between that an a tuition-paying voucher? -
Here's the difference. Pell grants or financial need grants are not necessary for students in grades 1-12, because families do not have to pay out of pocket for education on those grade levels. A Pell grant is an equalization for students who come from families that do not have the means to provide a college education for their children. The amount is based on the family income and the student need, not on where the student chooses to go to school. The only requirement for using it is that the school must be approved to receive the grants by being accredited. Since public education is available without charge to all students living in the district, equalization grants are not necessary.
The administration of the school where my guys go, along with most of the other accredited private, Christian schools in town are opposed to vouchers of any kind because what the state alone could provide per student is not enough to cover their expenses. Combining state funds with federal funds might provide enough, if the school never has to raise its tuition rates, but federal funds in any form prevent Christian schools from requiring recipients of the money to attend Bible class or chapel, or integrating Biblical principles into other curriculum areas. Our administrator sees vouchers as a means of turning private, Christian education into public education, and then diluting it or eliminating it altogether. I do, too. -
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I'm for having no government schools at all. Then their would not need to be any vouchers to spend money where we want that was collected from us in the first place.
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If there kids dont go to school they will have ZERO chance of making it in this world. That sets up a situation where once a family is poor the family will always remain poor.
We will then pay alot more to house them in prison then we would if we pitched in for their school.
I could go along with getting rid of public schools. But we still need to use OUR tax money to send kids from poor families to school even if it is private schools. -
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The guy who shot up the mall in Utah. He dropped out of school early. I am not saying that is why he did it but I am sure it did not help. -
It might be instructive, if you made a list of countries that relied on private schools as the primary educational tool, and a list of countries that relied mainly on public education.
Then compare standard of living, educational attainment, etc.
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There has been objections here about public money going to religious entities.
I had my taxes done and realized something.
You can deduct money give to charities. Even religious charities. Is this not giving tax money to religious entities? -
Another fallacy is that more education or eradication of poverty are the solutions to crime. Government wants us to believe that! They are not the answers!
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Government education have been around for a long time. They keep making promises they can't keep. Crime continues because of the inherent evil nature of mankind not because of a lack of education. In fact, an argument could be made that higher education only equips evil mankind with better tools to perpetuate their crimes with less chance of being caught. Children coming out schools, especially government schools, don't learn there what their parents should teach them by example and their church should teach them. They learn everything except that!
Public education has not eradicated poverty aside from the fact that poverty in this country is minimal relative to others. We know from the Bible that wealth is not a requirement for righteous behavior and, in fact, makes it more difficult. We also know that the best way out of poverty is hard work and sacrifice. Yes, that can be difficult and impossible for some yet it is not the role of government to provide wealth for it's citizens. It is the responsibility and freedom of the individual.
Some of the problems with public education are that it's become an entitlement for everyone, it's a free baby sitting service, it's standards are lowered to lowest common denominator, it's a haven for liberal thinkers especially college professors, it's teachers and parents have been stripped of their ability to maintain discipline, it's a center of entertainment for children and adults, it's overly expensive for the value received, it's a haven for exceedingly well paid administrators and bureaucrats, it's unable to teach what people want because it's "government", it's no longer under the control of it's local owners, it's forced to pander to misfits, and, at the higher levels, a terrible snare of immoral behavior for vulnerable young people.
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First, I did not excuse the shooters behaviour. Of course he made his choices and he is responsable. He chose to drop out and he choose to be a mass murder.
I speak from experiance as a person who has had a decently long career in the area. People with low/no education are alot more likely to become criminals, gang bangers and people who have to live useing public money. People who can not write their own name are easy targets to be recruted by gangs they have no self worth and nothing better to do. Add to that the lure of money that they get with crime and they will never ever see without. Even then they are responsable for their actions. But for every person you house in prison for one year you could send atleast 2 kids thru school for all grades.
I agree with most of your assessment of public schools. I think the problem could be solved by adding competition to the mix. Allow parents to vote with their feet what schools are best. I think all types of education would raise the standards.
People who have a career and a life that minimal education provides are far far less likely to commit crimes. That is a fact. -
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It might be instructive, if you made a list of countries that relied on private schools as the primary educational tool, and a list of countries that relied mainly on public education.
Then compare standard of living, educational attainment, etc.
Try it and think it over.
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This has been proven untrue in areas such as Orlando Fl Where I am from. A majority of employers will not hire you if you do not own your own transportation. If you must rely on public transportation you are unreliable because the current bussing system is unreliable and people do not in many cases make it to work when required.
It is a system that is burdensome as many are forced to travel downtown first before they get to their destination which was closer to them than the downtown area. The bus system in Orlando is a financial burden on the community as it remains in the red from year to year. I am not sure if it is a result of mismanagement or impossible scheduling but I'm sure a little of both. Either way it is inefficient, troublesome, burdensome, and unreliable. and in the end it does nothing to accomodate employers. -
Yes, I realize you weren't offering excuses for him. I apologize for writing in a way that may have implied that. I'm reflecting my frustration with the typical news reports that seem to follow all these kinds of events in which the focus is on all the possible external causes for the actions of a given individual. It attempts to shift guilt from where it rests.
I don't agree that lower educational level is a cause for criminal behavior. I don't believe there's any difference in the moral character of a person because of their educational attainments. I've worked with and among people of various educational backgrounds. I find honesty and dishonesty in all extremes of educational experience and economic wealth. Rich kids are no better than poor kids. College graduates are no more honest than eighth grade graduates. I've found intelligent people among those with little education and lowly titles. I've found it in foreign lands with even less than the least of our own.
There are statistical connections between certain types of criminal behavior and certain demographic factors including educational background and economic status but they doesn't mean one follows the other. The connection that's often missed is why the people are in those groupings. Kids are often in their situation because of the achievement levels of their parents. Laziness and stupidity - in it's real meaning - can not be corrected with education. Some parents raise their children into their own criminal behavior either actively or passively. Children who become adults have a choice to break out of that rut or stay in it. It becomes their responsibility - not the government's and not society as a whole. Many find it easy, thanks to government programs to stay in the rut. Others just don't care and never will. Some take a turn a demonstrate what can be done when a person take's responsibility and works towards betterment.
If we don't have enough room in the prisons then I say let's build some more of them. There are people that can be sent to school over and over and will never change. You can often see it early in life. We waste a lot of time giving criminals second, third, and forth chances at the expense of those who aren't a problem. Prisons are for punishment not rehabilitation as in now commonly expected. Non-criminals are far more deserving of an education that criminals.
People that have values based upon Christian beliefs and who daily seek the Lord's guidance are less likely to commit crimes. People that have these values will work hard, earn a living, and apply whatever talents the Lord has blessed them with. Their career may be as a laborer, a craftsman, an engineer, a scientist, or whatever but they'll be happy and have true wisdom. They'll also likely be affiliated with others of like beliefs and among them will be those that will be led to help them with whatever short comings they might have.
We will never have control of government schools again. It is a lost cause. The only solution is to rebuild education based upon what God fearing parents know is best for their children. That must be free of all government control. The church and education must be protected from government.
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But just to play along. Make a list of counties where the citizens enjoy a form of skiing (snow or water) and compair it to countries that do not enjoy wide spread usage of skiing. I think you will find that the standard of living in countries that enjoy wide spread skiiing have a much higher standard of living then countries that do not ski. Obviously skiing is what makes the standard of living higher. -
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