Schumer Caves

I don't understand your argument. The Dems did not get a DACA agreement/Trump did not get funding for the wall. That's basically even. The Dems got a 6 year renewal of the CHIPS med ins for children. hat did the GOP get in exchange? WIN Dems.

 

Except that it does look like Trump held firm and Schumer did not.

 

Exactly. Nothing more than they had already been offered. It was all a game, one the democrats realized they were going to lose.

 

The left thinks Chuckie caved:

http://thehill.com/latino/370119-left-says-dems-caved-on-shutdown

did nothing about DACA. I think the public perception was that the Democrats cared more about illegal aliens than US citizens - the "schumer shutdown". The budget deal is only good until early February anyways, they were panicking.

 

The DNC needs a little more time to develop a spin on the cave-in.

It will be forthcoming for the evening news and talking heads circuses.

HankD

 

It was the Trump/Schumer shutdown.

It's ridiculous that Republicans and Democrats cannot agree to do the obviously decent thing, provide a path to citizenship for Dreamers. Playing politics with it is contemptible, and the current hard-right "Republican" opposition to it is deplorable.

And I know some are going to jump on that statement because it would represent "amnesty" (aka grace) to people who are in a difficult situation. As a disciple of Jesus, I don't have the luxury of placing "America First" over the calling of the Kingdom of God. I can give Caesar his due, but I must be an advocate for the Kingdom of God to change Caesar's mind in terms of what is moral and right, since I also have influence as a member of Caesar (citizen in a democratic republic).

 

When were the Democrats offered extending CHIPS without a wall agreement?

 

While I don’t doubt your sincerity, I just don't believe compassion is the main reason why the Democratic Party is pushing so hard for amnesty.

 

Therefore, the Republicans caved in to avoid a disaster in the mid-year elections.

 

How could the Republicans cave? There aren't 60 Republicans in the Senate. The Democrats, who were filibustering, stopped filibustering and allowed a vote. Which we knew all along would pass.

 

No. Trump exposed and shamed them into acting like they have one.

 

Yeah, this was the same deal the Democrats rejected last week, so I guess in a sense they "caved" because Chuck was saying no way without a DACA deal, then he retracted it.

It was killing the Democrats in the polling, there was no emergency to settle DACA, but they only have til March to do so. I think Trump won the battle but has yet to win the war.

 

Actually, the beat goes on. This hasn't been resolved. The can was just kicked down the road to Feb. 8. Then we'll run into this all over again but CHIPS is now off the table. Do the Democrats have a stronger or weaker position for the next battle than they had for this one? I say yes.