But another issue is that while you and I would view the "free-will" position as man cooperating with God, many do not come to that conclusion. I cannot help but see the crux of that type of view a salvation dependent on the decision of man. That is why I am not a free-will Baptist. It is also why my friends who are free-will Baptist do not try to persuade me into their position. For me it would be downgrading the gospel. For them it is not because they do not come to what I believe is the logical conclusion of their position. And they see my position as downgrading the gospel with a false robotic sense of justice, love, and faith. That is why I believe it is best to simply talk about doctrines rather than argue camps. I do not mind explaining my position and arguing against what I believe is error. But at the same time we have to be careful that we do not destroy the faith of another.
Semi-Calvinism
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Revmitchell, Dec 8, 2016.
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They just havea hard timeseeing that Free Will does not eally exist since the Fall, and that God is still sovereign in all things, especially salvation! -
My wife and I are raising our son in such a way that we hope to have a lasting impact on how he lives his life. We try to instill in him Christian values and help him develop a Christian worldview. We teach him right from wrong. We also pray that God will lead and guide him. In other words, we want to do more than present him with options. We want to teach him how to live and we hope that his desires and the way that he thinks is influenced for the good by how we are raising him. -
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I'm a pastor at a free will Baptist Church and I'm still in awe that the God of All Creation saved my wretched soul. To God be all the Glory through Jesus Christ our Lord! He did 100% of the Work Soli Deo Gloria!
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The responses given here are the sort I hoping to hear in other threads. So if we got free-will we have the full ability and choice to not sin, right?
The apostles thought it was impossible to be saved.
Matthew 19
23And Jesus said to His disciples, “Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24“Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” 25When the disciples heard this, they were very astonished and said, “Then who can be saved?” 26And looking at them Jesus said to them, “With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Now if someone claims they are already saved well then God is with them already ahead of the curve of "who can be saved?" done deal. they are saved. But then to turn around and say well to stop sinning is impossible. How? If being saved was already a impossibility and God is with you, why is it so far fetched that he can train you to no longer sin? -
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I just thought that was a rare combination indeed!
I was raised in, and I preach in, Southern Baptist pulpits and I don't believe in Eternal Security (as such)......
I also read the Bible for myself....
and I don't see it...but I think it's a minor point anyway...
Original Sin...that's a stickler for me, and I clearly think it's un-biblical.
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Then again, Arminius is hardly the Messiah of non-Calvinists so, it doesn't matter that much.
Arminius was a smart guy....but, he was too steeped in Reformation Augustinianism for my liking.
He had to explain away Eternal Security and Limited Atonement from the standpoint of Non-passe-non-pecarre...
Therefore, his Theology went off-point.
He defended freedom of will from that assumption............
He should have realized that that particular philosophy was pagan Manicheanism and denied it whole-sale and his Theology would have been more on point.
Deny Original Sin.............
Understand that "Sin" is a willful act of disobedience and rebellion against God.
And stop believing that sin is some weird invisible, undetectable genetic disease you inherit genetically from your daddy....
And practically all of Christian Theology falls into place so simply and directly it's ridiculous...It's the most freeing and explanatorily valuable thing you can do (alongside understanding the power of God's Middle-Knowledge).
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