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  1. Yeshua1

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    Again, the reformed and regular baptists, save for the sabbath ones, would agree with me and disagree with you!
     
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    So what sin do we do that causes us to lose eternal life than?
     
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    I have hundreds of times and not once did I doubt my salvation. The reason being is as you said....

     
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    Finally! Amen! The teeth pulling is over!

    Looks as though you have been the gamer all along.....if indeed you now admit your of yourself commandment keeping plays no part in your justification before God.
     
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    Are you sure you aren't mistaking license for witness?
     
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    Please explain.
     
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    you don't have a single quote from me saying that the lost simply choose to obey the Law of God and that is what saves them... and we both know it.

    But you do have me quoting this --- almost daily

    Eph 2
    8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
     
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    Romans 8:12-16 explains how "assurance of salvation" works in the real world

    12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” 16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.

    Matthew 7 Christ points out that what many call "assurance of salvation" is nothing more than presumption
     
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    Matthew 18 - "Forgiveness revoked" was the example I gave.
    Romans 11 - "you stand only by your faith.. you should fear.. if He did not spare them He may not spare you.. to you God's goodness if you continue in His kindness"



    Matthew 18 the teaching of Christ is "I forgave you ALL that debt" - shouldn't you after having experienced FULL forgiveness have forgiven your brother?

    32 Then summoning him, his lord *said to him, ‘You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33 Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’ 34 And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. 35 My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”

    If we are Christians then by definition we listen to the teaching of Christ.[/QUOTE]
     
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    In your world the lost cannot keep the Law of God and be saved, but the saved must keep the Law of God or become unsaved.

    You cannot see a problem with that kind of thinking? Either keeping the Law of God saves or it does not. Which way do you believe?
     
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    So, are ya denying EGW wrote the things I quoted from her writings?
     
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    Assurance comes from the witness of the Holy Spirit. Are you certain it's that witness, or are you clinging to an idea that in reality is merely a license to sin?
     
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    Not everyone prioritizes salvation especially against the command of God.

    Your still bickering over whether God is going to shoot you or not.

    Who hears the command of God and just weighs whether it will pay out in salvation or won't do it unless there is a consequence to not doing it? A gold digger.


    I could be guaranteed damned and doomed for following God's command, Sign me up! You wouldn't understand why anyone would do that would you?


    "As you can see, the SDA has no peace that their soul is guaranteed safe and sound resting in Jesus Christ alone."

    GOOD! because if he has no guarantee then he has MORE FAITH then you ever will. He is resting in Jesus Christ alone, you are resting on your own guarantee.

    As scripture states plainly, Hope that is seen is not Hope.

    Romans 8

    24For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he already sees? 25But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it.

    None of the apostles share your attitude. You even give yourself credit for having a "superior" faith.

    You saying you have faith in Jesus is the best joke around, most especially when you point at something he tells you to do and tell us, well doing what he told us to do is nothing going to do anything for me.
     
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    Jesus said, He will give us rest. We are told to cast all our care upon Him, for He careth for us. We cease from our own works.

    Make sure you aren't making the opposite but equal error in presuming that your supposed obedience secures ANY thing. Those who have seen God abhor themselves for the stinking bags of worms they really are.
     
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    Well if God ever wanted something done, optionally , unrequired, or that even cost a dollar, I think we can count on Bob to do it rather then present company who's concern is if it "secures ANY thing".
     
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    This "what is in it for me" attitude. That is not Christianity.
     
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    Why certainly. Why not make them twice the child of hell?
     
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    True.

    God also tells us

    1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God"
    Isaiah 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship"
    Mark 2:27 "the Sabbath was made FOR Mankind"
    Acts 18:4 "EVERY Sabbath" both Jews and Gentiles gather for Gospel preaching
    Rev 14:12 the saints "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"

    And no text says "do not keep the Bible Sabbath - for Jesus is our Sabbath"


    I never argue that not taking God's name in vain - is how I am earning my way to heaven... I am sure you never argue for that either.

    Same with all of God's Commandments.. not just that one.
     
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    Oh, in other words, am I sure I am saved? Yes. I'm sure i am saved, even when I do wrong. All wrong doing is sin and even though that sin is covered by the blood as far as eternal security goes, that sin still carries consequences which I also have experienced, God calls it correction for His children. I'm sure you have experienced this too, no?
     
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    Now that's funny! :)
     
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