Sounds like a loving church. You're very blessed.
" shacking up" and marriage in the eyes of God
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by JohnnyReb, Oct 3, 2013.
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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On the other hand I did officially join the Church and my name is on the list. I had a discussion with the leaders about my position and my commitment to God, his word, and his son. There Church covenant was in line with Gods word so I joined and my position was respected among them. Most importantly the people Love Jesus Christ first and foremost and everything else comes second. They were willing to accept me into the flock whether my name was on the list or not because of my faith and commitment to Jesus Christ. This proved to me that this Church was putting Christ first and ritual second. I am proud to be a member with them now
No I do not agree with not getting married......I disagree that a paper issued by a man makes you married -
padredurand Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I have a piece of paper issued by El Paso County Colorado that says madre and I exchanged our vows 34 years ago. We've had to use it half a dozen times over the years as proof of our marriage. I doubt any of those places would've taken our word for it that we had made a lifelong committment to each other.
Our marriage is much more than just paper. It is two joining together physically, emotionally and spiritually to serve and honor God.
I'm bi-vocational and to earn my keep I drive commercially. I'm pretty good at what I do. I didn't get my driving skills because I got a piece of paper from the DMV. I had to demonstrate my ability to operate the equipment, answer a series of questions on a written exam and pass a physical. Nobody would take my word for it. If I had a roadside encounter with a state trooper the first thing he would ask for would be my license. That little government issued document is the accepted proof that I am allowed to operate the vehicle. Now that I think on it, without the license I wouldn't be working where I am. The first qualification was that I had to have a CDL. "I can drive that thing." wasn't good enough.
Your friends say they are married. Where's the proof? In our society that requires some documented evidence. They don't have it. They are shacking up. -
InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
To everyone that thinks it is OK to be married by a member of the clergy for religious reasons but not sanctioned by the government, i.e. no marriage license, would your method extend to other faiths? For example, if a Muslim couple were to get married under Sharia law, would you recognize it. Think about it...
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By the same token, Jesus' statement that immorality (not "infidelity" which means something broadly different) is grounds for divorce simply defines for the believer what grounds he/she has for divorce. Regardless of what the state says is a valid reason.
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Those who are saved fall under God and church prihibtions and standards, while those unsaved under civil courts/judges/justice of the peace etc...
So yes, do see God would say that if a marriage was disolved between unbeliver by proper appointed authority, to Him it is undone!
For God set up the governing authorities, and he also will abide by decisions they make regarding marriage in this case, as He hates divorce, but that is mainly among his covenant peoples, but permits due to "hardness of hearts" divorce among unsaved as part of maintaining society!
Alternative would be couples divorced by the state, but god stills honors tham as married, so would be continual pologomy/adultery going on! -
- I have read all the post thus far and I totally agree with this one.
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In the seven times I have been married, I have only shacked up five. The last two we did not live together, so I am progressing towards that Scriptural goal. On the third marriage, I had married a Catholic, so it was really an annulment. I had to pay the bishop a fee to get the paperwork through. The only way I will ever get a 50th anniversary picture is a group photo.
On the serious side, I do not believe two people can be married in "the eyes of God" and skipped the ceremony as required by the law of each state. God commands us to obey the local law, and do not believe that is what the Lord would bless. In the first post, if the family has a good family, serves the Lord through a local church, and has all the evidence of a Christian family, why not spend a couple of hours getting married. What is the big deal?
Now, I do believe that two people can go through a marriage ceremony and not be married in the eyes of God, by living as roommates or brother and sister instead of husband and wife. -
padredurand Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
In many places (Canada for one, eh.) folks can have two weddings: one civil and the other religious. There is no obligation for the religious ceremony but there is for the civil. That's where the marriage gets all the proper documentation, registration and what not. That is giving to Caesar what is Caesar's. Afterward the couple (legally married in the eyes of the state) head off to the church and render unto God what is God's.
As the gentleman from Lone Oak asked, "What's the big deal?" I suspect there is something in the woodpile that ain't wood. I counseled with a couple that was living together who wouldn't get legally married because she would lose a nice fat monthly check from her ex-husband if she did. That was not their first answer to my question but I have learned that if you bang around that woodpile long enough whatever is in there will come out. :thumbsup: -
There are many government handouts to people that shack up and have kids.
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Well when the law requires you to get 666 on your forehead will you follow that too because the God appointed authorities require you to do so? I will not
When the authorities authorize killing baby's and not calling it murder will you call that ok because God appointed them? I will not. It is murder whether it is legal by mans law or not
Do you recognize marriage between two men because the law says it is lawful? I will not
The list goes on. I just don't agree that we should stand behind laws because " God appointed them". It seems that we pick and choose as Christians which ones we support. So we support the governments authority with marriage but do not support gay marriage and abortions. I think some laws are of the Devil -
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And you already living in a time of baby killing and it not being murder. Abortions are happening daily. Do you support the authorities who allow legal murder? I call it murder and will not accept it and believe it is law of the devil and not God
I'm not going to argue this anymore. But I want y'all to really think about this stuff. If we are going to defend submitting to authorities then we need to start marrying homosexuals in our churches and telling our young women it is ok to murder their baby's. It is law of the land that these things are lawful by the God appointed authorities. We need to stop picking sides and submit to the authorities in all things instead of what best suits our position. We cannot submit to one thing and not the rest.
Also think about this. Our authorities are no longer ELECTED by a God fearing people. They are elected by a nation that is turning atheist and anti Christ. I have a hard time believing officials elected by anti Christs who authorize murder of baby's in the womb as being appointed by God. -
and as Christians, we would see marriage as necessary to have a valid relationship between a man and a woman before god! -
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Why did you say we've been expected to get a license for "hundreds of years?" They may have started issuing licenses, but what happened before that? Common law marriages are being faded out and still exist in places, they weren't phased in.
What's more scary is that many want to phase out the concept of marriage as outdated. :rolleyes: -
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